So you are saying that "sissy porn" -- in which men are feminized -- is watched by MEN? If so, that would make sissy porn a kind of gay porn. But you know, I have never seen anything like that. Now in typical gay porn, there is a top and a bottom, but that's only because there must be a top and a bottom in…
So you are saying that "sissy porn" -- in which men are feminized -- is watched by MEN? If so, that would make sissy porn a kind of gay porn. But you know, I have never seen anything like that. Now in typical gay porn, there is a top and a bottom, but that's only because there must be a top and a bottom in order for there to be intercourse.
If this is gay porn, it seems to me that I should have seen it in my travels among porn sites. I might as well tell you that I am a visual person, and at 71, my sex life consists of me jerking off while I look at porn. I'm confessing this because, frankly, I think this is where a lot of old people end up (i.e., looking at porn). The porn I prefer is the type in which the partners seem happy in their top/bottom roles and aren't humiliating each other. Still, if sissy port is a type of gay porn, I should have encountered it before. Are there any women actors in sissy porn?
Sissy porn is neither gay nor straight porn. It is porn for heterosexual men with a paraphilia. Many times the person doing the “sissifying” is a real woman, as this is often seen as very exciting and a part of the fetish. It might also be a man, or another man in drag, but not uncommon for it to be a woman. Sissy porn is directed toward heterosexual men. The hope is not to make them gay but pseudo-bisexual (will bottom for another male to show how they’re “women”), though most heterosexual men who go down the sissification route, though they may have sex with men to “prove” their womanhood on occasion, identify as lesbians (which is to say, straight men pretending to be women).
Essentially, they’re trying to induce autogynephilia in heterosexual men who watch these videos. To me, the nature of this porn lays bare how so many autogynephilic men really look at women. These men make up the majority of men transitioning and calling themselves women today, regardless if sissy porn plays a role or not.
There’s a huge number of men into “gynandropmorphophilia,” too, whom trans women both homosexual and heterosexual call “chasers.” The GAMP paraphilia often overlaps with autogynephilia, which also explains the popularity of “sissy porn” among some of these supposedly straight men. It’s an attraction to a body that looks female with breasts, but has a penis and testicles. I too find this very unattractive, like you, but it’s extremely popular among some men.
Evidence indicates that men with GAMP are otherwise heterosexual and so are men with autogynephelia, which is why they call the whole part where they like penises or have sex with other men “pseudo-bisexuality.” I actually think GAMPs are obviously bisexual- otherwise, they wouldn’t be into penis in any way, shape or form- while some autogynephiles just desire validation of their “womanhood” and will have homosexual sex for that reason.
Remember we’re talking hypnosis videos meant to encourage or even inflict these paraphilias onto any male viewer, gay or straight (they are mostly straight). There’s nothing healthy about this form of porn. It’s extremely degrading to women, and seems to induce heterosexual men to transition into sexualized caricatures of weak submissive females.
Oh, and the images used in the hypnosis- the images of the “ideal girl” the man will supposedly morph into- are all of gorgeous women, real, female women. Those are never men.
incorrect - you might have sissyporn with 2 trannies & a milf, or 1 tranny, 1 straight guy and a natal female, 2 trannies and a woman, a pre-op and a post-op - i've seen it all.
the algorithms on pornsites detect you focussing on certain scenarios/search-terms and will try clickbaiting you on your searches with some tranny-porn. you click in and you realise (if you are borderline-AGP, AGP-curious, or wearing your sister's panties while trawling sites) "wow, that's what i focus on when i climax - i become the object of desire and centre of lust - my horrible hairy body cannot be a source of desire - the smooth female form with all its possibilities and boundless pleasure (and othe nonsense researched by your curriosities) is what i should be. i am bad at sports, i have skinny arms, i am small and geeky' and down the rabbit hole you go
It sounds like such a fringe activity that I wonder why we are talking about it -- except that I suppose it exposes male attitudes that affect women in some way. Could sissy porn be a psychological cauldron that produces rapists? It would seem not since the male is being humiliated.
One crime show I watched was about a rapist who, it turned out, was a bottom in gay porn, so maybe there's something to that.
I think you're not understanding, Caleb. Sissy porn is *extremely sexist*. There is an overlap with "bimbofication." They see women as a collection of holes to serve men, as ditzy bimbo creatures whose only job is to titter and open their legs or present their arses. Despite focusing on a man, this is one of the most blatantly misogynistic porn genres there is.
And sissy hypno porn's goal is to *make straight men want to transition*. It either encourages latent autogynephilia or induces it, making it very dangerous indeed. Psychologists evaluating it have remarked on the professionalism of the hypnosis itself, and how well-done it is.
I think a pornography designed to turn heterosexual men into trans women acting out an extremely misogynist sexual fantasy is worth discussing when it comes to the whole gender identity movement, isn't it? Both the danger to the men exposed to this being coached to blow up their whole lives, get surgeries, go on hormones, declare themselves women, etc., to the dangers presented to women of such men calling themselves women and *demanding into women's spaces*. That "sissified males"- men who have a sexual fetish for pretending to be stupid, sexualized caricatures of females- are *not women* and that it's the height of misogyny to pretend they are should go without saying. To be forced by law to pretend these men are women, and to allow these heterosexual men with a fetish into our spaces and sports is *extremely dangerous.*
There is a huge overlap between autogynephilia and sissification fetishes and other fetishes, for example, voyeurism, exhibitionism, frotterism, pedophilia, biastophilia, nappy fetishism, etc. Fully 60% of "trans women" in UK prisons are there for sexual offenses *mainly against women and girls*, as opposed to 18% of other men, and less than 1% of women.
"Sissy hypno" and other videos within the "tr*nny" genre (BDSM, diaper fetishism, bestiality) *encourage these paraphilias in men*, whether we're talking men with latent curiosity which they should be suppressing, or completely normal men who are going down the rabbit hole of porn, as porn is a dangerous drug in itself, which conditions its user always to seek more extreme material to get a greater higher. Encouraging paraphilias in men and sending said men into women's spaces is a really good way to endanger women and girls.
well said Morrigan. Tranny porn searches are now approaching 5% of all searches and pornsites are now prompting users for the choice between 'straight' 'gay' 'trans' .
Caleb, this is *not* a fringe activity.
In 2021, 'trans' searches grew by 141% with views of the category up by 23%.
Please don't cite the 'evidence' from a television crime show regarding deviancy and rape.
I obviously don't know anything about sissy porn, so I'll beg out of the conversation. However, if I choose to mention something I saw on TV in these comments, I will.
Porn is pernicious in all its forms. It is quite literally sickening what you can find out there - scat, torture, snuff, beatings.
re rape/serial-killers, at least 2 major hollywood films portrayed mtf trannies as serial killers - silence of the lambs and brian de palma's 'dressed to kill'.
this was unhelpful. the *vast* majority of serial killers and rapists are so-called 'straight' men.
the vast majority of mtf trannies *crave* a female form, female appearance, female company, female habits, female banter, or what they may consider (or have (mis)-learned/fantasised) to be the above, but above all they do not want to rape them, indeed are probably incapable of doing so.
in my crossdressing days i had some lovely times getting dressed and made-up in after-hours beauty salons by some very kind and understanding women - there was no sexual tension, just chat about make-up, diets, foundation, concealer, blusher - that's what most mtfs want.
BUT there will be exceptions, and human diversity knows no bounds, so there will be some mtf trannies who will be rapaciously seeking out female spaces for thrills and worse - and natal women MUST be protected from them.
a 'bottom' gay guy is overwhelmingly unlikely to be able to maintain the necessary physical state of arousal to make aggressive unconsensual penetration of a woman possible.
things are complicated enough already without the movie industry preying on our malformed prejudices for cheap thrills and revenue.
but silence of the lambs is an amazing movie all the same.
This is incorrect. There’s a high correlation between transvestic fetishism and serial killing. Close to a quarter of serial killers have engaged in cross-dressing, often using their victims’ lingerie and other clothing. Buffalo Bill form Silence of the Lambs was based on a serial killer who hung women from the rafters, slaughtered them like deer, and made their skins into a suit, so it was based on a real person.
The Wikipedia entry on “transgender serial killers”- which was substantial- was removed last year entirely by Wikipedia’s trans activists. Nevertheless, some research can easily point you to all of these facts.
This is not because trans women are uniquely dangerous so much as because paraphilias tend to cluster. Autogynephilia and transvestic fetishism therefore commonly coincide with other paraphilias, some of them less dangerous or even harmless, others of them quite dangerous, obviously.
Sissy porn is not gay porn in the sense that it is targeted at straight men; the point is to identify with the person being "feminized". It is only gay porn in the sense that it usually involves two males. (Sometimes it is a (cis) woman doing the feminizing.)
As with pretty much any porn, it's not advisable to go look at it unless it is something you're specifically interested in. If you really want to know more about it, however, Andrea Long Chu's book FEMALES (which Eliza links to in the post (with what I think are rather unfair, out-of-context quotes, but that's a longer conversation)) contains a good verbal description of it (along with much else).
Unfair out of context quotes? What would makes these quotes fair and in context? How are they in any way defensible? Chu’s entire book is a treatise on sissy porn and autogynephelia in which he posits that it’s a base form of sexuality for anyone to desire to be female because females are what sex is. That’s pretty much the thesis of the book, and there’s amount of context that is ever going to rescue it from its hideous sexism.
I missed this comment. On the off chance you're still interested, here is an example. Chu is often cited as saying that "femaleness" is "an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes." Even aside from the fact that Chu is (with deliberate provocation) defining "female" in a way that includes *all* human beings—which definitely changes the context of anything she says about it—that sentence is simply out of context: Chu isn't saying that "femaleness" is "an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes.". Rather, she is saying that *the message of sissy porn*—about which she is clearly ambivalent, not whole-heartedly supportive—is that that is what being female is. (More particularly, sissy porn in the gif format.)
As for the book's thesis, I would say that the thesis of the book is that we are all constructed, against our will, by desire, and that both our own desire and others' desires shape us without our say-so. I don't think that that is a sexist claim. As for calling it "femaleness"—well, I don't think it was right or a good rhetorical move, but to claim that she is saying that that was femaleness is (in the sense that most people, rather than she, uses the term) is simply incorrect.
Oh my, this is all new to me.
So you are saying that "sissy porn" -- in which men are feminized -- is watched by MEN? If so, that would make sissy porn a kind of gay porn. But you know, I have never seen anything like that. Now in typical gay porn, there is a top and a bottom, but that's only because there must be a top and a bottom in order for there to be intercourse.
If this is gay porn, it seems to me that I should have seen it in my travels among porn sites. I might as well tell you that I am a visual person, and at 71, my sex life consists of me jerking off while I look at porn. I'm confessing this because, frankly, I think this is where a lot of old people end up (i.e., looking at porn). The porn I prefer is the type in which the partners seem happy in their top/bottom roles and aren't humiliating each other. Still, if sissy port is a type of gay porn, I should have encountered it before. Are there any women actors in sissy porn?
Sissy porn is neither gay nor straight porn. It is porn for heterosexual men with a paraphilia. Many times the person doing the “sissifying” is a real woman, as this is often seen as very exciting and a part of the fetish. It might also be a man, or another man in drag, but not uncommon for it to be a woman. Sissy porn is directed toward heterosexual men. The hope is not to make them gay but pseudo-bisexual (will bottom for another male to show how they’re “women”), though most heterosexual men who go down the sissification route, though they may have sex with men to “prove” their womanhood on occasion, identify as lesbians (which is to say, straight men pretending to be women).
Essentially, they’re trying to induce autogynephilia in heterosexual men who watch these videos. To me, the nature of this porn lays bare how so many autogynephilic men really look at women. These men make up the majority of men transitioning and calling themselves women today, regardless if sissy porn plays a role or not.
There’s a huge number of men into “gynandropmorphophilia,” too, whom trans women both homosexual and heterosexual call “chasers.” The GAMP paraphilia often overlaps with autogynephilia, which also explains the popularity of “sissy porn” among some of these supposedly straight men. It’s an attraction to a body that looks female with breasts, but has a penis and testicles. I too find this very unattractive, like you, but it’s extremely popular among some men.
Evidence indicates that men with GAMP are otherwise heterosexual and so are men with autogynephelia, which is why they call the whole part where they like penises or have sex with other men “pseudo-bisexuality.” I actually think GAMPs are obviously bisexual- otherwise, they wouldn’t be into penis in any way, shape or form- while some autogynephiles just desire validation of their “womanhood” and will have homosexual sex for that reason.
Remember we’re talking hypnosis videos meant to encourage or even inflict these paraphilias onto any male viewer, gay or straight (they are mostly straight). There’s nothing healthy about this form of porn. It’s extremely degrading to women, and seems to induce heterosexual men to transition into sexualized caricatures of weak submissive females.
Oh, and the images used in the hypnosis- the images of the “ideal girl” the man will supposedly morph into- are all of gorgeous women, real, female women. Those are never men.
gamp aka admirers
incorrect - you might have sissyporn with 2 trannies & a milf, or 1 tranny, 1 straight guy and a natal female, 2 trannies and a woman, a pre-op and a post-op - i've seen it all.
the algorithms on pornsites detect you focussing on certain scenarios/search-terms and will try clickbaiting you on your searches with some tranny-porn. you click in and you realise (if you are borderline-AGP, AGP-curious, or wearing your sister's panties while trawling sites) "wow, that's what i focus on when i climax - i become the object of desire and centre of lust - my horrible hairy body cannot be a source of desire - the smooth female form with all its possibilities and boundless pleasure (and othe nonsense researched by your curriosities) is what i should be. i am bad at sports, i have skinny arms, i am small and geeky' and down the rabbit hole you go
Nona, I love how frank you are about all this stuff. It's horrible but funny. Thank you!
It sounds like such a fringe activity that I wonder why we are talking about it -- except that I suppose it exposes male attitudes that affect women in some way. Could sissy porn be a psychological cauldron that produces rapists? It would seem not since the male is being humiliated.
One crime show I watched was about a rapist who, it turned out, was a bottom in gay porn, so maybe there's something to that.
I think you're not understanding, Caleb. Sissy porn is *extremely sexist*. There is an overlap with "bimbofication." They see women as a collection of holes to serve men, as ditzy bimbo creatures whose only job is to titter and open their legs or present their arses. Despite focusing on a man, this is one of the most blatantly misogynistic porn genres there is.
And sissy hypno porn's goal is to *make straight men want to transition*. It either encourages latent autogynephilia or induces it, making it very dangerous indeed. Psychologists evaluating it have remarked on the professionalism of the hypnosis itself, and how well-done it is.
I think a pornography designed to turn heterosexual men into trans women acting out an extremely misogynist sexual fantasy is worth discussing when it comes to the whole gender identity movement, isn't it? Both the danger to the men exposed to this being coached to blow up their whole lives, get surgeries, go on hormones, declare themselves women, etc., to the dangers presented to women of such men calling themselves women and *demanding into women's spaces*. That "sissified males"- men who have a sexual fetish for pretending to be stupid, sexualized caricatures of females- are *not women* and that it's the height of misogyny to pretend they are should go without saying. To be forced by law to pretend these men are women, and to allow these heterosexual men with a fetish into our spaces and sports is *extremely dangerous.*
There is a huge overlap between autogynephilia and sissification fetishes and other fetishes, for example, voyeurism, exhibitionism, frotterism, pedophilia, biastophilia, nappy fetishism, etc. Fully 60% of "trans women" in UK prisons are there for sexual offenses *mainly against women and girls*, as opposed to 18% of other men, and less than 1% of women.
"Sissy hypno" and other videos within the "tr*nny" genre (BDSM, diaper fetishism, bestiality) *encourage these paraphilias in men*, whether we're talking men with latent curiosity which they should be suppressing, or completely normal men who are going down the rabbit hole of porn, as porn is a dangerous drug in itself, which conditions its user always to seek more extreme material to get a greater higher. Encouraging paraphilias in men and sending said men into women's spaces is a really good way to endanger women and girls.
Do you understand why this is important yet?
All true, and so many of the men who get sucked into this are teens or young adults who may have gradually gotten there from gaming sites.
well said Morrigan. Tranny porn searches are now approaching 5% of all searches and pornsites are now prompting users for the choice between 'straight' 'gay' 'trans' .
Caleb, this is *not* a fringe activity.
In 2021, 'trans' searches grew by 141% with views of the category up by 23%.
Please don't cite the 'evidence' from a television crime show regarding deviancy and rape.
check out https://www.feministcurrent.com/2020/11/29/why-isnt-anyone-talking-about-the-influence-of-porn-on-the-trans-trend/
and https://sextechguide.com/nsfw/hentai-trans-porn-rocketing-popularity-2021/
as well as the pornsites' own numbers - they keep really good stats, and publish them!
I obviously don't know anything about sissy porn, so I'll beg out of the conversation. However, if I choose to mention something I saw on TV in these comments, I will.
Porn is pernicious in all its forms. It is quite literally sickening what you can find out there - scat, torture, snuff, beatings.
re rape/serial-killers, at least 2 major hollywood films portrayed mtf trannies as serial killers - silence of the lambs and brian de palma's 'dressed to kill'.
this was unhelpful. the *vast* majority of serial killers and rapists are so-called 'straight' men.
the vast majority of mtf trannies *crave* a female form, female appearance, female company, female habits, female banter, or what they may consider (or have (mis)-learned/fantasised) to be the above, but above all they do not want to rape them, indeed are probably incapable of doing so.
in my crossdressing days i had some lovely times getting dressed and made-up in after-hours beauty salons by some very kind and understanding women - there was no sexual tension, just chat about make-up, diets, foundation, concealer, blusher - that's what most mtfs want.
BUT there will be exceptions, and human diversity knows no bounds, so there will be some mtf trannies who will be rapaciously seeking out female spaces for thrills and worse - and natal women MUST be protected from them.
a 'bottom' gay guy is overwhelmingly unlikely to be able to maintain the necessary physical state of arousal to make aggressive unconsensual penetration of a woman possible.
things are complicated enough already without the movie industry preying on our malformed prejudices for cheap thrills and revenue.
but silence of the lambs is an amazing movie all the same.
This is incorrect. There’s a high correlation between transvestic fetishism and serial killing. Close to a quarter of serial killers have engaged in cross-dressing, often using their victims’ lingerie and other clothing. Buffalo Bill form Silence of the Lambs was based on a serial killer who hung women from the rafters, slaughtered them like deer, and made their skins into a suit, so it was based on a real person.
The Wikipedia entry on “transgender serial killers”- which was substantial- was removed last year entirely by Wikipedia’s trans activists. Nevertheless, some research can easily point you to all of these facts.
This is not because trans women are uniquely dangerous so much as because paraphilias tend to cluster. Autogynephilia and transvestic fetishism therefore commonly coincide with other paraphilias, some of them less dangerous or even harmless, others of them quite dangerous, obviously.
*a greater high
Sissy porn is not gay porn in the sense that it is targeted at straight men; the point is to identify with the person being "feminized". It is only gay porn in the sense that it usually involves two males. (Sometimes it is a (cis) woman doing the feminizing.)
As with pretty much any porn, it's not advisable to go look at it unless it is something you're specifically interested in. If you really want to know more about it, however, Andrea Long Chu's book FEMALES (which Eliza links to in the post (with what I think are rather unfair, out-of-context quotes, but that's a longer conversation)) contains a good verbal description of it (along with much else).
Unfair out of context quotes? What would makes these quotes fair and in context? How are they in any way defensible? Chu’s entire book is a treatise on sissy porn and autogynephelia in which he posits that it’s a base form of sexuality for anyone to desire to be female because females are what sex is. That’s pretty much the thesis of the book, and there’s amount of context that is ever going to rescue it from its hideous sexism.
I missed this comment. On the off chance you're still interested, here is an example. Chu is often cited as saying that "femaleness" is "an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes." Even aside from the fact that Chu is (with deliberate provocation) defining "female" in a way that includes *all* human beings—which definitely changes the context of anything she says about it—that sentence is simply out of context: Chu isn't saying that "femaleness" is "an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes.". Rather, she is saying that *the message of sissy porn*—about which she is clearly ambivalent, not whole-heartedly supportive—is that that is what being female is. (More particularly, sissy porn in the gif format.)
As for the book's thesis, I would say that the thesis of the book is that we are all constructed, against our will, by desire, and that both our own desire and others' desires shape us without our say-so. I don't think that that is a sexist claim. As for calling it "femaleness"—well, I don't think it was right or a good rhetorical move, but to claim that she is saying that that was femaleness is (in the sense that most people, rather than she, uses the term) is simply incorrect.