It just dawned on me: These trans-enabling professionals are like the "Angels of Death" (nurses in hospitals, sometimes doctors) who kill elderly people, imagining that they are doing the elderly people a favor. Both the trans-enabling professionals and the Angels of Death must necessarily be out of touch with reality and completely convinced of their mistaken ideologies.
I have recently had a frustrating exchange with a correspondent of mine. He is gay like me. When I described transgender ideology (the central tenet of which is "gender identity"), it seemed perfectly logical to him. His natural reaction was to be sympathetic. We dropped the subject for a while, and then came back to it weeks later. This time I talked about what was happening to children. He was under the impression that the kids who were transitioning were the ones who WANTED to transition (which, unfortunately, is true in a lot of cases). He didn't accept my argument that the kids were being influenced and brainwashed. My argument that children don't have the mental development to make such decisions for the adult yet to come also fell of deaf ears. Ultimately, he just didn't believe that kids were getting such radical treatments. I was becoming insulted by his responses because it seemed that he was calling me a liar. Finally he admitted that if surgeons really ARE doing double mastectomies and hysterectomies on girls, and doing vaginoplasties on boys, he thinks that is outrageous malpractice. The bottom line is that this issue is not high on his list of concerns.
These exchanges with this friend made me realize why it is so hard to turn the tide of public opinion against transgender ideology. First, people are ignorant, not aware of what is really happening. Second, when you tell them what is happening, they just don't believe it. Third, many people think that kids should be able to do with their bodies what they please. This friendship almost ended over this topic.
My friend knew from a very young age that he was gay, and so he feels sympathy for any young person who seems to know his or her mind. But that was true for me also -- even before puberty I was having gay feelings. Even so, it has always been obvious to me that children don't have the maturity to do such drastic things to themselves. I don't know why everyone can't see that.
I lost two friends over this already. With one of them, my opening argument had to do with women’s sex based rights and right to single sex spaces. He literally considered trans “women” as women and couldn’t understand my argument. He called me a transphobe almost as soon as I mentioned the topic. I ended up ending the friendship because calling someone such expletive five seconds into a discussion shows insane amount of disrespect. I’m a woman, btw, so I guess it’s to be expected...
The other friendship just fizzled out... that friend simply thought I was obsessing over nothing and couldn’t understand how come all of a sudden I care for women’s sports 🤦🏻♀️ and this man calls himself a feminist ...
Mischka (great name), I have another story to tell. I am a serious poet. The editor of an online poetry journal was going to publish a bunch of my poems. I read some of his own poetry, and it was dripping with liberal sympathies, so I posted my anti-trans poem. That got us into a long argument via emails. (By the way, I'm a liberal too, I'm just not stupid about it.) We ended up hating each other. He was completely convinced that there are three-year old children in the world who are suffering intolerably because they are not the right gender, and he just assumed that I was insensitive to their suffering. (I'm not insensitive to suffering, of course, but I understand that suffering is part of life.) His belief that three-year-olds can suffer so terribly over their gender is the kind of thing that trans activists want us to believe so that they can spread their ideology. He wasn't swayed by my argument that children don't have the maturity to make such choices on behalf of the adult yet to come.
Here is my anti-trans poem. Let me know if you think it is any good. I wrote the poem when it was more common for men/boys to transition than for women/girls to transition. Since I can't do italics here, I use all caps for italics. Also, getting the spacing right is almost impossible in this comment format.
This a a great poem, and expresses the authoritarianism we are now living under! The left is to blame , and as a ( former?) leftist, I am outraged but also depressed.
Silly Caleb, everyone knows that TERFs are unanimously right-wing extremists. Nothing says right-wing like an acronym with the word "feminism" in it after all.
First, I don't use the acronym TERF. Second, my experience with feminists is that they are mostly leftists, which makes sense since liberals are more supportive of women's rights than conservatives are. Third, I am one of the least silly people you will ever meet.
I think it helps to explain autogynephilia, the fact that a significant subclass of transwomen are straight men motivated by a sexual fetish, an autoerotic fantasy of being transformed into a female self, and that these fetishists remain attracted to women after transition. It's the key piece of information that causes the scales to fall from people's eyes and help them reconceptualize what is actually going on with trans-identified males in Western countries. More and more people are becoming aware of this but it still hasn't reached a critical mass. Otherwise people are talking past each other and operating on completely different understandings of what a "trans" person is. Gay men are often the least aware of autogynephiles, as the trans women they encounter in their social circles and in gay media tend to be the old-school HSTS type who are way less problematic and have no paraphilia or sexual interest in women.
I had had similar conversation with a longtime friend. I think as a child she felt ignored and despondent and so she has a huge heart for that story.. all she sees are kids that are downtrodden and she believes they deserve to be brought into the fold and supported. I understand this...though with a broader lens I see A MOUNTAIN of collateral damage: women, children, gay men, lesbians, truth, free speech, evidence and family.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, they say. I think that applies here, although encouraging children to mutilate their bodies is so far beyond anything that's normal that it is hard to comprehend such "good intentions". Of course, this is the Age of Plastic Surgery in which people see molding their bodies as normal and common. I never saw the body that way. The most molding I ever did to my body was to remove warts and skin tags. I feel sorry for the girls who have had hysterectomies or "top surgery". Some of them will be heartbroken that they can never have children -- or, if they can have children, that they won't be able to breastfeed them.
Thanks for the note Caleb. I couldn't quite get plastic surgeries straight in my head - there seemed to be 2 distinct categories. For example breast surgery - so-called "augmentation" always made me feel creepy as a woman - like why would you go through that pain and risk to be more sexualized. Plus, I figured eventually you age, so better to get your head strong than seek the latest medical incursion. The other would be "reductions" - which I could understand b/c my friends who had this experienced neck & back pain and unwanted & vulgar attention from men. I feel so sorry for this generation that has to deal with the ideologues in the schools. I saw that Arizona passed a new law to allow the $$ to follow the child - which I think we be an excellent solution to this identity cult. Your poem was really moving by the way.
For heterosexual men, large breasts on a young woman who isn't fat are apparently exciting beyond measure. To me, a gay man, large breasts on a young woman always seem to make her look matronly. However, it is human nature to want more of whatever it is that we are attracted to. I admit that large genitals on a man are appealing to me.
I'm not sure what you mean about Arizona's law making money "follow the child".
About my poem, thanks. I'm concerned that when I include it in my first collection of works, any "woke" editor who reads it will reject my entire book because of it. I comfort myself knowing that I am on the right side of history. I liken trans surgeries on children to be like lobotomies, which fell out of favor when they discovered that no one was helped by them.
Because it was assumed that drag queens were gay -- and especially because it was the drag queens who mainly fought the police at the Stonewall Inn -- a lot of gays accept drag, and trans is just a short step from drag. But to me, drag is just a misogynistic minstrel show (thanks to the commenter here who turned me on to that very appropriate description). Gays accepting trans people is like natural women accepting trans women; there really is no commonality. Much to my surprise, some years ago I learned that a significant number of drag queens are straight.
There are a lot of gay men who are not supportive of trans ideology. In England, there is an organization (I've forgotten their name) which is for LGB people only, no T. I am supportive of sensible trans people, but not the ones who go in for all the bad ideas.
A year or so ago, I was kicked off a gay blog for posting anti-trans and anti-drag comments. (My comments were always logical and never abusive, but they still kicked me off.) So even within the gay community, there is censorship. By the way, some gay organizations have now metamorphosed into trans organizations. Also, there's one site that used to support women which no longer uses the word "women" on their web site unless there is a "trans" in front of it.
Thank you, Zelda. I just checked out your Substack site. I'd be over there every day, but I prefer to read articles rather than watch videos. However, keep up the good work.
Oh! I didn't realize it was so vid-heavy. I have some original writing, an original graphic (my "Gender Washer" was attacked and shared on Twitter by a local "progressive", so that's great!), and links to assorted issue-related material. It's an actual civic campaign, so my scope is necessarily limited.
But thanks for dropping by none the less. I don't expect to keep it up after the civic campaign is over. Keep doing your writing and solid thinking, Caleb! We need more people like you.
I have read in many gay publications (before the trans fad) that drag queens were a big part of the rebellion at the Stoneall Inn. I've read that more than once. I don't think that most drag queens see themselves as "trans", but I can imagine that trans women might see them as kindred spirits. "the guy that was there for it" -- not sure what that means. What was Fred Sargeant there for? According to his Wikipedia article, he was walking past the bar when he saw what was happening.
When I got to the Village a few years later, the Stonwall Inn was an eatery that served food kept in steamer trays, which you purchased and brought back to your table.
I also have gay friends, one of whom is an extremely intelligent, kind and successful person. He was perplexed by my hostility to Trans ideology. I explained to him that his compassion has been leveraged to accept things which just aren't true. And that (in the UK) the Trans movement is actually homophobic by a) redefining homosexuality from same-sex attracted to "same-gender attracted", so that lesbians who refuse sexual advances from intact males "identifying" as women, are described (by the leading Transactivist group, Stonewall) as "sexual racists"; and b) the discovery that majority of the young girls presenting to the UK's "Tavistock" Gender clinic were actually gay - and the joke among the staff there (revealed by whistle-blowers) was that "soon there will be no gays left". He fell silent. I will now send him the report on the whistle-blower revelations at WPATH. Perhaps you could so the same?
'The more horror you must sublimate, the more horrible your detractors must become, even if the worst thing they say is simply: look. Look at what you’re doing.' - utterly magnificent. Thank you! Gosh.. if only...
They do not represent the world, members come from a handful of Western countries, and mainly from the US and the UK.
They are not professionals in any meaningful sense of the word. Their standards are not based on solid science, many of their sources have nothing to do with science, and some of its members do not come from any health profession.
They do not promote the health of transgender people. They are a lobby organisations for transideology and promote treatmens that are likely to harm the health of the people they claim to care for.
As always, absolutely brilliant and powerful. What is it with human beings that we continue to invent new and horrific ways to create completely unwarranted suffering??? Is there not already enough suffering in a normal human life.
I just spent over an hour looking into the history of WPATH and its founders and I must say that the sexism of it all overwhelms me. Rather than acknowledge that requiring strict adherence to certain personality traits, behavior, and interests based on sex causes suffering, these "doctors" would rather perform unnecessary surgeries on people--all in the name of preserving the sex hierarchy.
Similarly Heaven’s Gate cult co founder Marshall Applewhite was gay and apparently was uncomfortable with his his attractions to fellow male cult members so found a way to incorporate a solution to this problem into the cult teachings: He discouraged members from having “earthly desires” to prepare for leaving their bodies behind as they waited to be taken up to the Next Level of spiritual evolution by a spaceship, and explicitly required all cult members to adopt a de-sexed appearance both in having the women cut their hair short and having all the members dress in gender neutral clothing, and also encouraged castrations for fellow males (performed in-house by a cult member)
No, but I watched the documentary series with interest given the parallels I’d heard about with exiting gender ideology from detransitioners, especially regarding the interviews with survivors, one of whom observed how highly intelligent the recruits all were, which mirrors how intelligent a lot of the survivors of trans medicalization seem to me to be (and which contradicts notion that only unsophisticated people fall for this stuff) One interviewee said he thought it was helpful with growing the cult that members were smart to aid in attracting new members
This is so insightful. I think you put your finger right on it.
Off and on I've been listening to William Shirer's _Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_ (I know, I know, I am going right for Godwin's law with both hands and feet) and something I didn't know was that both as part of the "Final Solution" and leading up to the Russian campaign (which made no bones about exterminating Slavs in huge numbers), the leadership sent out a lot of messaging about "this is going to make you feel bad, you are going to feel unsure, but you just have to steel yourself and DO IT FOR THE CAUSE"
Which I thought was fascinating: they anticipated squeamishness and qualms from the rank and file. And they essentially instructed them: ignore all doubts and second thoughts, press on, because it's the only way the glorious future can emerge. The messaging is the same from WPATH.
So my focus area as an undergrad was on 20th-century totalitarianism, particularly Nazism and Nazi eugenics program/cooptation of medical profession. So it's something I think about a lot. I think the socialization process is quite similar and have written about it a few times: https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/ok-lets-actually-talk-about-nazi
I just finished watching Ken Burns' "USA and The Holocaust" documentary, and every word you have written about the WPATH conference resonates in a most horrific way. The mechanisms of cult indoctrination, desensitization to the big picture, the inhumanity of it, the use of medicine for cultish aims; it is staggering. Thank you for reporting on this conference. We have surely lost our way as people in the service of "Be Kind".
Thank you Eliza, for enduring this, so we didn't have to and reporting what you found.
I'm sure you didn't intend this, but you reported on a cult. As I read your account, it kept firing electrical arcs in my brain, linking to another cache of material, I listened to over a year ago.
It was an extremely well done, long form dive into Jim Jones' cult. I encourage ALL to take the time (hours) to listen to it. It will strip away any confusion or circular rhetoric, you've been wrestling with, in all of todays "next thing issues".
These cultists are gathering their believers in the form of children and common sense barren "parents". They no longer need to meet in a hall, building or compound, because their surrounding communities and families now fill that enclave function.
In this age of the gender mutilation push...gender affirming hysterectomy....we have had celebs, politicians, MSM pundits and more calling for children to have unfettered access to this procedure.
I was surprised and hopeful to see that there are some sites, that have not drank the cool-aide...Yet.
The sites below, provide a 3 mile high view, of just how far these cultist have moved this Overton Window. Bear in mind, this is just ONE issue...they have hit us with THOUSANDS, simultaneously.
Technically, any woman of legal age can consent to the procedure, but it should be medically justified. It’s incredibly unlikely that a doctor will perform a hysterectomy on women ages 18-35 unless it is absolutely necessary for their well-being and no other options will suffice. This is because of possible physical and emotional risks. Complications during surgery can include infection, hemorrhaging, or bladder or bowel damage, but the risks of these are rather low. Long-term, it can increase the risk of stroke, bone loss, heart attacks, urinary issues, and early onset menopause in younger women. Possible complications that can impact a woman’s sex life includes vaginal dryness and a lack of interest in sex. It also prevents the possibility of a biological pregnancy, which can cause depression and psychological stress in some women."
It keeps me awake a lot of times! As a refugee from
Nazi Germany, I find this cult to be as authoritarian in many ways: getting children when they’re young and impressionable, changing the language to gain power, changing laws to their goals ,attacking those who don’t go along, violently at times, and above all,lying !
I see the danger of this cult so clearly . I also see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel . Keep on with your campaign ! Let people, most of whom are unaware of this , know how bad this is!
I really would be interested in your view on locking people up who give child sex abuse victims who don't want to be homosexual the counselling and prayer they are after. We do after all, have the 'conversion therapy ban' bill due to go through Parliament soon, that LGBTQ hope to amend to include locking people up for telling groomed children biology is real as well. In my strongly held view, on both counts, there is a clear paedophile agenda. The first will be bad enough in itself for child protection, the latter as well far, far worse.
It just dawned on me: These trans-enabling professionals are like the "Angels of Death" (nurses in hospitals, sometimes doctors) who kill elderly people, imagining that they are doing the elderly people a favor. Both the trans-enabling professionals and the Angels of Death must necessarily be out of touch with reality and completely convinced of their mistaken ideologies.
I have recently had a frustrating exchange with a correspondent of mine. He is gay like me. When I described transgender ideology (the central tenet of which is "gender identity"), it seemed perfectly logical to him. His natural reaction was to be sympathetic. We dropped the subject for a while, and then came back to it weeks later. This time I talked about what was happening to children. He was under the impression that the kids who were transitioning were the ones who WANTED to transition (which, unfortunately, is true in a lot of cases). He didn't accept my argument that the kids were being influenced and brainwashed. My argument that children don't have the mental development to make such decisions for the adult yet to come also fell of deaf ears. Ultimately, he just didn't believe that kids were getting such radical treatments. I was becoming insulted by his responses because it seemed that he was calling me a liar. Finally he admitted that if surgeons really ARE doing double mastectomies and hysterectomies on girls, and doing vaginoplasties on boys, he thinks that is outrageous malpractice. The bottom line is that this issue is not high on his list of concerns.
These exchanges with this friend made me realize why it is so hard to turn the tide of public opinion against transgender ideology. First, people are ignorant, not aware of what is really happening. Second, when you tell them what is happening, they just don't believe it. Third, many people think that kids should be able to do with their bodies what they please. This friendship almost ended over this topic.
My friend knew from a very young age that he was gay, and so he feels sympathy for any young person who seems to know his or her mind. But that was true for me also -- even before puberty I was having gay feelings. Even so, it has always been obvious to me that children don't have the maturity to do such drastic things to themselves. I don't know why everyone can't see that.
I lost two friends over this already. With one of them, my opening argument had to do with women’s sex based rights and right to single sex spaces. He literally considered trans “women” as women and couldn’t understand my argument. He called me a transphobe almost as soon as I mentioned the topic. I ended up ending the friendship because calling someone such expletive five seconds into a discussion shows insane amount of disrespect. I’m a woman, btw, so I guess it’s to be expected...
The other friendship just fizzled out... that friend simply thought I was obsessing over nothing and couldn’t understand how come all of a sudden I care for women’s sports 🤦🏻♀️ and this man calls himself a feminist ...
Mischka (great name), I have another story to tell. I am a serious poet. The editor of an online poetry journal was going to publish a bunch of my poems. I read some of his own poetry, and it was dripping with liberal sympathies, so I posted my anti-trans poem. That got us into a long argument via emails. (By the way, I'm a liberal too, I'm just not stupid about it.) We ended up hating each other. He was completely convinced that there are three-year old children in the world who are suffering intolerably because they are not the right gender, and he just assumed that I was insensitive to their suffering. (I'm not insensitive to suffering, of course, but I understand that suffering is part of life.) His belief that three-year-olds can suffer so terribly over their gender is the kind of thing that trans activists want us to believe so that they can spread their ideology. He wasn't swayed by my argument that children don't have the maturity to make such choices on behalf of the adult yet to come.
Here is my anti-trans poem. Let me know if you think it is any good. I wrote the poem when it was more common for men/boys to transition than for women/girls to transition. Since I can't do italics here, I use all caps for italics. Also, getting the spacing right is almost impossible in this comment format.
//
THE NEW AMAZONS
//
Some of them actually look like women,
though most of them can’t pull it off. I do
admire their courage to risk ridicule.
//
For the rest of us, years of laughing at
comedians in wigs, pearls and frocks
must be forgotten, for the law says we
must take them seriously.
//
So many musts.
//
We must accept them as real for what
they think they are. We must let them tell
us who WE are, for they are experts on
everything surreal. We must speak about
them only in words they specify.
//
Women must welcome them into their games,
live with them in shelters, prisons, dorms;
appreciate their naked bodies when they bathe.
Children must accept them as their guides.
//
This is the New Order, a world in which
every impossible thing is true. Blue is pink
and pink is blue. No one is who she seems to be.
Should you decide to disagree, take care.
The army of the monster will engage you,
slap you down, cancel, crush and shame you.
The truth is on your side, but may not save you.
That’s a brave poem and true!
This a a great poem, and expresses the authoritarianism we are now living under! The left is to blame , and as a ( former?) leftist, I am outraged but also depressed.
Why don't you try to "reclaim" the Left by being an anti-trans Leftist like I am?
Silly Caleb, everyone knows that TERFs are unanimously right-wing extremists. Nothing says right-wing like an acronym with the word "feminism" in it after all.
First, I don't use the acronym TERF. Second, my experience with feminists is that they are mostly leftists, which makes sense since liberals are more supportive of women's rights than conservatives are. Third, I am one of the least silly people you will ever meet.
I think it helps to explain autogynephilia, the fact that a significant subclass of transwomen are straight men motivated by a sexual fetish, an autoerotic fantasy of being transformed into a female self, and that these fetishists remain attracted to women after transition. It's the key piece of information that causes the scales to fall from people's eyes and help them reconceptualize what is actually going on with trans-identified males in Western countries. More and more people are becoming aware of this but it still hasn't reached a critical mass. Otherwise people are talking past each other and operating on completely different understandings of what a "trans" person is. Gay men are often the least aware of autogynephiles, as the trans women they encounter in their social circles and in gay media tend to be the old-school HSTS type who are way less problematic and have no paraphilia or sexual interest in women.
Sad .. we are under a dark shadow!
I had had similar conversation with a longtime friend. I think as a child she felt ignored and despondent and so she has a huge heart for that story.. all she sees are kids that are downtrodden and she believes they deserve to be brought into the fold and supported. I understand this...though with a broader lens I see A MOUNTAIN of collateral damage: women, children, gay men, lesbians, truth, free speech, evidence and family.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, they say. I think that applies here, although encouraging children to mutilate their bodies is so far beyond anything that's normal that it is hard to comprehend such "good intentions". Of course, this is the Age of Plastic Surgery in which people see molding their bodies as normal and common. I never saw the body that way. The most molding I ever did to my body was to remove warts and skin tags. I feel sorry for the girls who have had hysterectomies or "top surgery". Some of them will be heartbroken that they can never have children -- or, if they can have children, that they won't be able to breastfeed them.
Thanks for the note Caleb. I couldn't quite get plastic surgeries straight in my head - there seemed to be 2 distinct categories. For example breast surgery - so-called "augmentation" always made me feel creepy as a woman - like why would you go through that pain and risk to be more sexualized. Plus, I figured eventually you age, so better to get your head strong than seek the latest medical incursion. The other would be "reductions" - which I could understand b/c my friends who had this experienced neck & back pain and unwanted & vulgar attention from men. I feel so sorry for this generation that has to deal with the ideologues in the schools. I saw that Arizona passed a new law to allow the $$ to follow the child - which I think we be an excellent solution to this identity cult. Your poem was really moving by the way.
For heterosexual men, large breasts on a young woman who isn't fat are apparently exciting beyond measure. To me, a gay man, large breasts on a young woman always seem to make her look matronly. However, it is human nature to want more of whatever it is that we are attracted to. I admit that large genitals on a man are appealing to me.
I'm not sure what you mean about Arizona's law making money "follow the child".
About my poem, thanks. I'm concerned that when I include it in my first collection of works, any "woke" editor who reads it will reject my entire book because of it. I comfort myself knowing that I am on the right side of history. I liken trans surgeries on children to be like lobotomies, which fell out of favor when they discovered that no one was helped by them.
I'm never terribly surprised when gay men support the trans movement.
Because it was assumed that drag queens were gay -- and especially because it was the drag queens who mainly fought the police at the Stonewall Inn -- a lot of gays accept drag, and trans is just a short step from drag. But to me, drag is just a misogynistic minstrel show (thanks to the commenter here who turned me on to that very appropriate description). Gays accepting trans people is like natural women accepting trans women; there really is no commonality. Much to my surprise, some years ago I learned that a significant number of drag queens are straight.
There are a lot of gay men who are not supportive of trans ideology. In England, there is an organization (I've forgotten their name) which is for LGB people only, no T. I am supportive of sensible trans people, but not the ones who go in for all the bad ideas.
A year or so ago, I was kicked off a gay blog for posting anti-trans and anti-drag comments. (My comments were always logical and never abusive, but they still kicked me off.) So even within the gay community, there is censorship. By the way, some gay organizations have now metamorphosed into trans organizations. Also, there's one site that used to support women which no longer uses the word "women" on their web site unless there is a "trans" in front of it.
I appreciate your comments. You flesh out (no pun intended) nuance and complexity in already-complex topics.
Thank you, Zelda. I just checked out your Substack site. I'd be over there every day, but I prefer to read articles rather than watch videos. However, keep up the good work.
Oh! I didn't realize it was so vid-heavy. I have some original writing, an original graphic (my "Gender Washer" was attacked and shared on Twitter by a local "progressive", so that's great!), and links to assorted issue-related material. It's an actual civic campaign, so my scope is necessarily limited.
But thanks for dropping by none the less. I don't expect to keep it up after the civic campaign is over. Keep doing your writing and solid thinking, Caleb! We need more people like you.
Yes, and many more people like you too -- more people with good sense. I'll take another look at your site.
In case you would like to read it, here is the best of my articles on the subject. I may put my articles on Substack to give them more visibility:
https://sethnotes.blogspot.com/2021/07/transgender-people-are-seeking.html
I have read in many gay publications (before the trans fad) that drag queens were a big part of the rebellion at the Stoneall Inn. I've read that more than once. I don't think that most drag queens see themselves as "trans", but I can imagine that trans women might see them as kindred spirits. "the guy that was there for it" -- not sure what that means. What was Fred Sargeant there for? According to his Wikipedia article, he was walking past the bar when he saw what was happening.
When I got to the Village a few years later, the Stonwall Inn was an eatery that served food kept in steamer trays, which you purchased and brought back to your table.
I also have gay friends, one of whom is an extremely intelligent, kind and successful person. He was perplexed by my hostility to Trans ideology. I explained to him that his compassion has been leveraged to accept things which just aren't true. And that (in the UK) the Trans movement is actually homophobic by a) redefining homosexuality from same-sex attracted to "same-gender attracted", so that lesbians who refuse sexual advances from intact males "identifying" as women, are described (by the leading Transactivist group, Stonewall) as "sexual racists"; and b) the discovery that majority of the young girls presenting to the UK's "Tavistock" Gender clinic were actually gay - and the joke among the staff there (revealed by whistle-blowers) was that "soon there will be no gays left". He fell silent. I will now send him the report on the whistle-blower revelations at WPATH. Perhaps you could so the same?
'The more horror you must sublimate, the more horrible your detractors must become, even if the worst thing they say is simply: look. Look at what you’re doing.' - utterly magnificent. Thank you! Gosh.. if only...
There needs to be an investigation into who the WPATH are. From history to financing ... everything.
https://malcolmrichardclark.substack.com/p/all-roads-lead-to-wpath
Wow.
WPATH is a misnomer.
They do not represent the world, members come from a handful of Western countries, and mainly from the US and the UK.
They are not professionals in any meaningful sense of the word. Their standards are not based on solid science, many of their sources have nothing to do with science, and some of its members do not come from any health profession.
They do not promote the health of transgender people. They are a lobby organisations for transideology and promote treatmens that are likely to harm the health of the people they claim to care for.
A brilliant description. Of a horrific situation....
As always, absolutely brilliant and powerful. What is it with human beings that we continue to invent new and horrific ways to create completely unwarranted suffering??? Is there not already enough suffering in a normal human life.
I just spent over an hour looking into the history of WPATH and its founders and I must say that the sexism of it all overwhelms me. Rather than acknowledge that requiring strict adherence to certain personality traits, behavior, and interests based on sex causes suffering, these "doctors" would rather perform unnecessary surgeries on people--all in the name of preserving the sex hierarchy.
From eunuchs to nullification surgery, this is truly horrendous.
Thank you for shining a light on this.
Are you aware of the 'Skoptsy' movement in the 19th century?
If not, worth checking out:
https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2016/08/25/the-skoptsy-the-story-of-the-russian-sect-that-maimed-for-its-beliefs_624175
OMG! I couldn’t read all that!
Similarly Heaven’s Gate cult co founder Marshall Applewhite was gay and apparently was uncomfortable with his his attractions to fellow male cult members so found a way to incorporate a solution to this problem into the cult teachings: He discouraged members from having “earthly desires” to prepare for leaving their bodies behind as they waited to be taken up to the Next Level of spiritual evolution by a spaceship, and explicitly required all cult members to adopt a de-sexed appearance both in having the women cut their hair short and having all the members dress in gender neutral clothing, and also encouraged castrations for fellow males (performed in-house by a cult member)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11210146/?ref_=ext_shr_sms
Have you read Lalich's Bounded Choice? Completely fascinating on Heaven's Gate.
No, but I watched the documentary series with interest given the parallels I’d heard about with exiting gender ideology from detransitioners, especially regarding the interviews with survivors, one of whom observed how highly intelligent the recruits all were, which mirrors how intelligent a lot of the survivors of trans medicalization seem to me to be (and which contradicts notion that only unsophisticated people fall for this stuff) One interviewee said he thought it was helpful with growing the cult that members were smart to aid in attracting new members
This is so insightful. I think you put your finger right on it.
Off and on I've been listening to William Shirer's _Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_ (I know, I know, I am going right for Godwin's law with both hands and feet) and something I didn't know was that both as part of the "Final Solution" and leading up to the Russian campaign (which made no bones about exterminating Slavs in huge numbers), the leadership sent out a lot of messaging about "this is going to make you feel bad, you are going to feel unsure, but you just have to steel yourself and DO IT FOR THE CAUSE"
Which I thought was fascinating: they anticipated squeamishness and qualms from the rank and file. And they essentially instructed them: ignore all doubts and second thoughts, press on, because it's the only way the glorious future can emerge. The messaging is the same from WPATH.
So my focus area as an undergrad was on 20th-century totalitarianism, particularly Nazism and Nazi eugenics program/cooptation of medical profession. So it's something I think about a lot. I think the socialization process is quite similar and have written about it a few times: https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/ok-lets-actually-talk-about-nazi
https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/but-i-didnt-want-to-see-it-because
A very useful and relevant analogy.
Reminds me of:
https://youtu.be/SDuHXTG3uyY
"Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs to me"
Thanks -- looking forward to reading this!
I just finished watching Ken Burns' "USA and The Holocaust" documentary, and every word you have written about the WPATH conference resonates in a most horrific way. The mechanisms of cult indoctrination, desensitization to the big picture, the inhumanity of it, the use of medicine for cultish aims; it is staggering. Thank you for reporting on this conference. We have surely lost our way as people in the service of "Be Kind".
Wow! I made a very similar comment, though I was more circumspect! As a refugee from the Holocaust, this also hits home! Thank you!
Wow, so imprtvthat you managed to go, keep your head and use it to such good effect. Brilliant observations! 💛
impressed
There's more where this came from, will share when it's done.
Very profound--thank you for writing this, and putting the ideas so eloquently!
This is a wonderfully written, insightful essay. I could not agree with you more. Thank you, Frederick
Amazingly insightful. This should be spread far and wide.
Thank you Eliza, for enduring this, so we didn't have to and reporting what you found.
I'm sure you didn't intend this, but you reported on a cult. As I read your account, it kept firing electrical arcs in my brain, linking to another cache of material, I listened to over a year ago.
It was an extremely well done, long form dive into Jim Jones' cult. I encourage ALL to take the time (hours) to listen to it. It will strip away any confusion or circular rhetoric, you've been wrestling with, in all of todays "next thing issues".
These cultists are gathering their believers in the form of children and common sense barren "parents". They no longer need to meet in a hall, building or compound, because their surrounding communities and families now fill that enclave function.
https://martyrmade.com/gods-socialist-the-rise-and-fall-of-peoples-temple/
Another item of interest.
In this age of the gender mutilation push...gender affirming hysterectomy....we have had celebs, politicians, MSM pundits and more calling for children to have unfettered access to this procedure.
I was surprised and hopeful to see that there are some sites, that have not drank the cool-aide...Yet.
The sites below, provide a 3 mile high view, of just how far these cultist have moved this Overton Window. Bear in mind, this is just ONE issue...they have hit us with THOUSANDS, simultaneously.
Two sites and an excerpt -
https://nwhn.org/age-can-get-hysterectomy/
Technically, any woman of legal age can consent to the procedure, but it should be medically justified. It’s incredibly unlikely that a doctor will perform a hysterectomy on women ages 18-35 unless it is absolutely necessary for their well-being and no other options will suffice. This is because of possible physical and emotional risks. Complications during surgery can include infection, hemorrhaging, or bladder or bowel damage, but the risks of these are rather low. Long-term, it can increase the risk of stroke, bone loss, heart attacks, urinary issues, and early onset menopause in younger women. Possible complications that can impact a woman’s sex life includes vaginal dryness and a lack of interest in sex. It also prevents the possibility of a biological pregnancy, which can cause depression and psychological stress in some women."
https://www.hysterectomy.org/still-a-woman/
I've absolutely seen it as a cult for several years. So fascinating to get an inside look but I felt so horrified that I couldn't sleep.
You and Genevieve Gluck alike delving so deeply into this world of horror.
It’s definitely a cult .. with the trans community getting salvation , and all
the rest of us ( women! ) labeled heretics. (TERFS, transphobes, etc.)
The difference is that this cult tries to make others join.
Go a few steps further...they are intentionally infiltrating institution, where their prey are found.
If any other cult did this, they would be investigated, charged, jailed or drug out of government schools by parents.
That doesn't happen when you have local and federal political/legislative cover and support, as well as legal and judicial protection.
It keeps me awake a lot of times! As a refugee from
Nazi Germany, I find this cult to be as authoritarian in many ways: getting children when they’re young and impressionable, changing the language to gain power, changing laws to their goals ,attacking those who don’t go along, violently at times, and above all,lying !
I see the danger of this cult so clearly . I also see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel . Keep on with your campaign ! Let people, most of whom are unaware of this , know how bad this is!
Superb piece.
I really would be interested in your view on locking people up who give child sex abuse victims who don't want to be homosexual the counselling and prayer they are after. We do after all, have the 'conversion therapy ban' bill due to go through Parliament soon, that LGBTQ hope to amend to include locking people up for telling groomed children biology is real as well. In my strongly held view, on both counts, there is a clear paedophile agenda. The first will be bad enough in itself for child protection, the latter as well far, far worse.
The mind proves itself so very adept at developing schemes to protect the ego