Because it was assumed that drag queens were gay -- and especially because it was the drag queens who mainly fought the police at the Stonewall Inn -- a lot of gays accept drag, and trans is just a short step from drag. But to me, drag is just a misogynistic minstrel show (thanks to the commenter here who turned me on to that very appro…
Because it was assumed that drag queens were gay -- and especially because it was the drag queens who mainly fought the police at the Stonewall Inn -- a lot of gays accept drag, and trans is just a short step from drag. But to me, drag is just a misogynistic minstrel show (thanks to the commenter here who turned me on to that very appropriate description). Gays accepting trans people is like natural women accepting trans women; there really is no commonality. Much to my surprise, some years ago I learned that a significant number of drag queens are straight.
There are a lot of gay men who are not supportive of trans ideology. In England, there is an organization (I've forgotten their name) which is for LGB people only, no T. I am supportive of sensible trans people, but not the ones who go in for all the bad ideas.
A year or so ago, I was kicked off a gay blog for posting anti-trans and anti-drag comments. (My comments were always logical and never abusive, but they still kicked me off.) So even within the gay community, there is censorship. By the way, some gay organizations have now metamorphosed into trans organizations. Also, there's one site that used to support women which no longer uses the word "women" on their web site unless there is a "trans" in front of it.
Thank you, Zelda. I just checked out your Substack site. I'd be over there every day, but I prefer to read articles rather than watch videos. However, keep up the good work.
Oh! I didn't realize it was so vid-heavy. I have some original writing, an original graphic (my "Gender Washer" was attacked and shared on Twitter by a local "progressive", so that's great!), and links to assorted issue-related material. It's an actual civic campaign, so my scope is necessarily limited.
But thanks for dropping by none the less. I don't expect to keep it up after the civic campaign is over. Keep doing your writing and solid thinking, Caleb! We need more people like you.
I have read in many gay publications (before the trans fad) that drag queens were a big part of the rebellion at the Stoneall Inn. I've read that more than once. I don't think that most drag queens see themselves as "trans", but I can imagine that trans women might see them as kindred spirits. "the guy that was there for it" -- not sure what that means. What was Fred Sargeant there for? According to his Wikipedia article, he was walking past the bar when he saw what was happening.
When I got to the Village a few years later, the Stonwall Inn was an eatery that served food kept in steamer trays, which you purchased and brought back to your table.
Because it was assumed that drag queens were gay -- and especially because it was the drag queens who mainly fought the police at the Stonewall Inn -- a lot of gays accept drag, and trans is just a short step from drag. But to me, drag is just a misogynistic minstrel show (thanks to the commenter here who turned me on to that very appropriate description). Gays accepting trans people is like natural women accepting trans women; there really is no commonality. Much to my surprise, some years ago I learned that a significant number of drag queens are straight.
There are a lot of gay men who are not supportive of trans ideology. In England, there is an organization (I've forgotten their name) which is for LGB people only, no T. I am supportive of sensible trans people, but not the ones who go in for all the bad ideas.
A year or so ago, I was kicked off a gay blog for posting anti-trans and anti-drag comments. (My comments were always logical and never abusive, but they still kicked me off.) So even within the gay community, there is censorship. By the way, some gay organizations have now metamorphosed into trans organizations. Also, there's one site that used to support women which no longer uses the word "women" on their web site unless there is a "trans" in front of it.
I appreciate your comments. You flesh out (no pun intended) nuance and complexity in already-complex topics.
Thank you, Zelda. I just checked out your Substack site. I'd be over there every day, but I prefer to read articles rather than watch videos. However, keep up the good work.
Oh! I didn't realize it was so vid-heavy. I have some original writing, an original graphic (my "Gender Washer" was attacked and shared on Twitter by a local "progressive", so that's great!), and links to assorted issue-related material. It's an actual civic campaign, so my scope is necessarily limited.
But thanks for dropping by none the less. I don't expect to keep it up after the civic campaign is over. Keep doing your writing and solid thinking, Caleb! We need more people like you.
Yes, and many more people like you too -- more people with good sense. I'll take another look at your site.
In case you would like to read it, here is the best of my articles on the subject. I may put my articles on Substack to give them more visibility:
https://sethnotes.blogspot.com/2021/07/transgender-people-are-seeking.html
TY! Lots of discussion to be had there... :-D
I have read in many gay publications (before the trans fad) that drag queens were a big part of the rebellion at the Stoneall Inn. I've read that more than once. I don't think that most drag queens see themselves as "trans", but I can imagine that trans women might see them as kindred spirits. "the guy that was there for it" -- not sure what that means. What was Fred Sargeant there for? According to his Wikipedia article, he was walking past the bar when he saw what was happening.
When I got to the Village a few years later, the Stonwall Inn was an eatery that served food kept in steamer trays, which you purchased and brought back to your table.