What these goofballs don’t seem to grok is that ten years ago the trans movement wasn’t demanding that we indoctrinate our children in state schools and provide resistance free pathways (“ban conversion therapy”) to bodily modification (some might say “mutilation”) and lifelong medicalization of adolescents (who have been having identity crises since time immemorial) which, among other things, leaves those children as anorgasmic adults... that is, makes life tangibly, permanently worse in at least one way. All in the interest of fixing them when research indicates that many (most?) will age out of it anyway.
So yeah, there’s a little more negative affect around trans issues than before because people don’t like when their kids are indoctrinated into pernicious belief systems and potentially railroaded into self-damaging decisions.
I know depression disposes one toward catastrophizing. But that doesn’t mean that wanting to pump the brakes on the latest psychiatric malpractice (today it’s surgeries for gender, in the past lobotomies and hysterectomies) is even in the realm of approaching active genocide or even genocidal ideation
In the brain of a True Believer (a fundamentalist regardless of the cause) everything they do is right, proper, brave & heroic, both basic etiquette and moral elevation, because all they can see and know is their pure hearts and good intentions; the corollary to that is that every instance of opposition, even just a gentle good-faith questioning, feels like an existential assault, an act of hateful bigotry, the revelation of an opponent or heretic who has shown themselves to be dangerous and evil and is in need of silencing and/or elimination.
Sometimes a belief in itself is less of a problem than the intensity and certainty with which this belief is held...this is your brain on fundamentalism!
They are members of a deeply destructive cult. That is why they tend towards extremism in the face of actual or merely perceived opposition. They really go in for all or nothing thinking. The thing that scares me is the knowledge that they are already "radicalised", but those currently governing are apparently completely oblivious to the very real potential of a sizeable minority of their subpopulation to lash out in violence.
For a while I've seen that trans activism promises utopia, an Eden without capitalism, racism, and norms.
What puzzles me is how they dream of socialism, if not communism. They know that historical and reigning communist states aren't trans friendly, don't they? Otherwise they may seek asylum in Cuba or Vietnam instead of New York.
Good grief! I don’t think these people have actually read anything other then the Wikipedia page on the Weimar Republic because describing Interwar Germany as “Progressive” and accepting of Trans is not only anachronistic, but not entirely accurate. There were lots of wacky medical stuff going on in Germany and most of those doctors were little better than butchers with NO ANTIBIOTICS or hygiene protocols. You be lucky if the surgeon washed his hands before going in. Not to mention the fact that a high portion of those unfortunate souls were probably gay and were trying to ‘fix’ that. It was not ‘trans’ people, but gay men predominantly who got rounded up. Along with Jews, communists, Catholics, Roma, disabled people (like Pope Benedict’s beloved first cousin who had Down’s syndrome) Slavic people any anyone else who pissed off Hitler and his people.
I’ve studied Genocides (and proto-genocides) and seriously, we aren’t there yet… I will say this though, the dehumanising language is getting more and more frequent and intense. Dehumanising language is a “yellow light” and an essential precondition for violence that can escalate to Genocide. Both sides engage in it and it’s something I consciously try to avoid, as it is especially tempting for faceless internet commentary. I don’t see an easy way forward though, when one group is paranoidly convinced that their destruction is immanent but their opponents are not at all interested in any kind of violence. Talking some of these people back from the ledge of violence is has got to happen sooner rather than later.
There are some decent books out there about the 'sexual freedom' of Weimar, where much of Berlin was turned into a giant red light district and a center of massive industrial scale sex tourism. I can't really figure out how that is a good thing...
"My advice for everyone targeted by modern fascists is the same as my advice for a Jew in 1932 Germany: it doesn’t get better, it doesn’t blow over. Get the fuck out now." TRAs: Please, please take this wise advice and get the fuck out.
The right wing religious cult??? Transgender ideology targeting our youth is the cult. Your statements are false and guilty of as much bigotry and hatred as you think they are. This is not helping our youth. It is destroying them. Stop the insanity.
"Sentiment over definition" - the very heart of trans ideology.
These comments, and others I've seen elsewhere, are building people to a frenzy, a state of being where they feel that they are at risk of imminent, irreversible harm. There is going to be a death toll that starts to rise rapidly - some trans are going to kill themselves, but others are going to kill others. They see it as a moral imperative to fight against the (largely imaginary) oppressors of human will, which, in combination with feeling they have no choices left, creates a state of mind in which violence is the only answer. Responses to the violence, no matter how measured, will be taken as evidence they are right. I don't see any way that this can be avoided now - the evidence can easily be seen in the rhetoric and actions surrounding Kellie-Jay Keene in Australia. Things are going to get very unpleasant.
I really appreciated this part of your post. Very salient commentary on what a community, especially one with vulnerable kids in it, should and can do when their perceived rights are rolled back.
The ultimate irony is of course that taken at face value, sterilizing a population is "genocide".
The euphemistic "affirmation" (sterilization) model is precisely what I'm led to believe is going on with Uyghurs in China and their forced or coerced sterization.
As.Sontag's book "Illness as a Metaphor", this is descent into belief that reaction to mental Illness is genocide. "Agumenum ad Mortem"
I don't understand how anybody with a functioning frontal cortex can look at any of this and not immediately wonder just how much mental illness is a component here.
What these goofballs don’t seem to grok is that ten years ago the trans movement wasn’t demanding that we indoctrinate our children in state schools and provide resistance free pathways (“ban conversion therapy”) to bodily modification (some might say “mutilation”) and lifelong medicalization of adolescents (who have been having identity crises since time immemorial) which, among other things, leaves those children as anorgasmic adults... that is, makes life tangibly, permanently worse in at least one way. All in the interest of fixing them when research indicates that many (most?) will age out of it anyway.
So yeah, there’s a little more negative affect around trans issues than before because people don’t like when their kids are indoctrinated into pernicious belief systems and potentially railroaded into self-damaging decisions.
I know depression disposes one toward catastrophizing. But that doesn’t mean that wanting to pump the brakes on the latest psychiatric malpractice (today it’s surgeries for gender, in the past lobotomies and hysterectomies) is even in the realm of approaching active genocide or even genocidal ideation
In the brain of a True Believer (a fundamentalist regardless of the cause) everything they do is right, proper, brave & heroic, both basic etiquette and moral elevation, because all they can see and know is their pure hearts and good intentions; the corollary to that is that every instance of opposition, even just a gentle good-faith questioning, feels like an existential assault, an act of hateful bigotry, the revelation of an opponent or heretic who has shown themselves to be dangerous and evil and is in need of silencing and/or elimination.
Sometimes a belief in itself is less of a problem than the intensity and certainty with which this belief is held...this is your brain on fundamentalism!
They are members of a deeply destructive cult. That is why they tend towards extremism in the face of actual or merely perceived opposition. They really go in for all or nothing thinking. The thing that scares me is the knowledge that they are already "radicalised", but those currently governing are apparently completely oblivious to the very real potential of a sizeable minority of their subpopulation to lash out in violence.
For a while I've seen that trans activism promises utopia, an Eden without capitalism, racism, and norms.
What puzzles me is how they dream of socialism, if not communism. They know that historical and reigning communist states aren't trans friendly, don't they? Otherwise they may seek asylum in Cuba or Vietnam instead of New York.
Are you looking for logic in a movement centered around mental illness?
Yes, but then they play the “no true communist” version of the no true Scotsman card, in my experience. They’ll get communism right you see.
"Alexa, can you show me an example of hyperbole?"
Good grief! I don’t think these people have actually read anything other then the Wikipedia page on the Weimar Republic because describing Interwar Germany as “Progressive” and accepting of Trans is not only anachronistic, but not entirely accurate. There were lots of wacky medical stuff going on in Germany and most of those doctors were little better than butchers with NO ANTIBIOTICS or hygiene protocols. You be lucky if the surgeon washed his hands before going in. Not to mention the fact that a high portion of those unfortunate souls were probably gay and were trying to ‘fix’ that. It was not ‘trans’ people, but gay men predominantly who got rounded up. Along with Jews, communists, Catholics, Roma, disabled people (like Pope Benedict’s beloved first cousin who had Down’s syndrome) Slavic people any anyone else who pissed off Hitler and his people.
I’ve studied Genocides (and proto-genocides) and seriously, we aren’t there yet… I will say this though, the dehumanising language is getting more and more frequent and intense. Dehumanising language is a “yellow light” and an essential precondition for violence that can escalate to Genocide. Both sides engage in it and it’s something I consciously try to avoid, as it is especially tempting for faceless internet commentary. I don’t see an easy way forward though, when one group is paranoidly convinced that their destruction is immanent but their opponents are not at all interested in any kind of violence. Talking some of these people back from the ledge of violence is has got to happen sooner rather than later.
There are some decent books out there about the 'sexual freedom' of Weimar, where much of Berlin was turned into a giant red light district and a center of massive industrial scale sex tourism. I can't really figure out how that is a good thing...
"My advice for everyone targeted by modern fascists is the same as my advice for a Jew in 1932 Germany: it doesn’t get better, it doesn’t blow over. Get the fuck out now." TRAs: Please, please take this wise advice and get the fuck out.
The right wing religious cult??? Transgender ideology targeting our youth is the cult. Your statements are false and guilty of as much bigotry and hatred as you think they are. This is not helping our youth. It is destroying them. Stop the insanity.
Shocked that those clear eyed level headed commentors would be whipping each other up with hyperbole and drama.
Four days after Eliza posted this…
Yeah.
If I could avoid being a victim of genocide simply by wearing clothes found in the men's department, I reckon I would.
"Sentiment over definition" - the very heart of trans ideology.
These comments, and others I've seen elsewhere, are building people to a frenzy, a state of being where they feel that they are at risk of imminent, irreversible harm. There is going to be a death toll that starts to rise rapidly - some trans are going to kill themselves, but others are going to kill others. They see it as a moral imperative to fight against the (largely imaginary) oppressors of human will, which, in combination with feeling they have no choices left, creates a state of mind in which violence is the only answer. Responses to the violence, no matter how measured, will be taken as evidence they are right. I don't see any way that this can be avoided now - the evidence can easily be seen in the rhetoric and actions surrounding Kellie-Jay Keene in Australia. Things are going to get very unpleasant.
I definitely think we’ll be seeing major riots over this in the next few years
Well we now see what this rhetoric has inspired. Dead children in Nashville.
"They’d promise: It gets better."
I really appreciated this part of your post. Very salient commentary on what a community, especially one with vulnerable kids in it, should and can do when their perceived rights are rolled back.
The ultimate irony is of course that taken at face value, sterilizing a population is "genocide".
The euphemistic "affirmation" (sterilization) model is precisely what I'm led to believe is going on with Uyghurs in China and their forced or coerced sterization.
As.Sontag's book "Illness as a Metaphor", this is descent into belief that reaction to mental Illness is genocide. "Agumenum ad Mortem"
I don't understand how anybody with a functioning frontal cortex can look at any of this and not immediately wonder just how much mental illness is a component here.