Ms. Chu's writing is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this essay. She's just one trans activist. She's a convenient straw....(person?) for your argument but is it an accurate assessment of the movement's motivations as a whole?
Ms. Chu's writing is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this essay. She's just one trans activist. She's a convenient straw....(person?) for your argument but is it an accurate assessment of the movement's motivations as a whole?
It's pervasive. Check out the Reddit forums for MTFs -- how did they 'know' they were women? What makes them feel 'girly' (and somehow it's almost always girly, even if we're talking about middle-aged adults)? Why do they fetishize female experiences by faking periods or even pregnancies (and even crashing pregnancy-loss forums)?
I do think autogynephilia is a major driver of the form trans activism takes. That's why sex difference can never be acknowledged (punctures the fantasy). That's why all the vitriol is directed at peaceful but dissenting women, rather than the violent males who actually kill trans-identifying people. That's why the nonsense claims proliferate (I'm biologically female because my altered birth certificate says so), rather than the more reasonable line of "I'm a male person who feels more comfortable presenting this way."
I miss the author of this piece -- not sure where she went off to -- but think about it a lot:
And I've had a lot of conversations with young female desisters and detransitioners who talk about how being exposed to men who identify as women and who play-act being a woman by being dumb, ditsy, incompetent, etc., strongly contributed to their trans identification.
e.g., Carey Callahan: "For me this is the crux of the тАЬwhat relationship can detrans women have to the trans communityтАЭ issue. It would be psychologically harmful for me to be around someone getting off on playing тАЬdumb bitch.тАЭ So I canтАЩt expect any other female to put herself around that either. тАЬ strange how the very things that make me NOT want to be a woman are what makes those people WANT to be one... And since Andrea Long Chu has been celebrated for clarifying that his trans identity is absolutely about masochism, can us females please stop being expected to ignore what he is selling books shouting? the bimbofication thing is so appalling to me- really makes me think of how the tw I knew CONSTANTLY called themself a "clumsy bitch" or "dumb slut" or other misogynistic things in a "cutesy" way"
I can tell you think that the AGP is the skeleton key here and you will pick your sources to prove that point. I see the AGP community (if it could be described as such) as adjacent to but not central in promulgating trans ideology. Rooting around Reddit may yield some great pull quotes but drawing conclusions based on that sampling could lead you into some unfruitful cul-de-sacs. I would caution you to avoid a one-size-fits-all answer.
It's not a one-size-fits-all answer. It's a "this explains some features of trans activism that don't make sense otherwise." I think there's a lot going on with trans and not looking for a simple story.
So 90% of trans тАЬwomen,тАЭ and the people funding the movement as well, arenтАЩt тАЬcentralтАЭ to it? Where do you think all the personality-disordered people enforcing its cultish and totalitarian aspects come from? Homosexual transsexuals?
The role of autogynphelia and its close relationship to narcissism and to other forms of paraphilia cannot be overstated when it comes to examining the current destructive and deeply misogynistic face of this movement.
nicely put - but the taxonomy of natal-male gender-related paraphilias has more branches than outlined here. The venn diagram becomes quickly complex. There are straight, g@y, bi, bi-curious, repressed-g@y natal-men, there are transvestites, crossdressers, HPWs, hoarders, AGPs, 'Arnold Layne's, underwтВм@r fetishists, fembois, ladyboys, shтВмmales, pre-op trannies, chicks-with-d!cks, TV/TS/Tx who want to get it on with other TV/TS/Txs, 'Admirers' who are often 'straight' or were thus, or are 'bi-curious'. I could go on. As an ex-paraphile, longtime member of TVchix (now left), recovering AGP and now father of a ROGD daughter this whole thing has come crashing down on my secret life and I am now in therapy and finally honest with my wife.
Sissy-hypno is a very dangerous medium - deeply misogynistic ('you want to be a stupid blonde bimbo, you live to serve men, ...' etc etc. seductive voiceovers with kaleidoscopic graphics interspersed with soft/hard porn, fashion shots, glossed lips, etc. Some of it is very well produced, money is being spent somewhere - and there are sissy hypnos freely available on apple podcasts with no 'adult content' warning.
Eliza, you are amazing btw. Stuff I read in here is helping me make sense of my mostly wasted, mostly unhappy, closeted life.
Porn is a big part of it all, both in channelling shy boys towards effeminacy, and inducing disgust in adolescent girls about their own bodies, about men, and with enormous justification, about the revolting hypocrisy of the 'free world' and the unending exploitation of their sisterhood. But men are exploited too - we are made to take more notice of one product over another because of the alluring model in the advertising content. we are lured to 'risque' material, 'adult' material, 'hardcore' material, the narratives therein reinforcing our incipient self-knowledge of being inadequates.
Of course, but I'm talking about trans women. Ray Blanchard has estimated around 90% these days fall into the AGP camp, since transgenderism officially broadened its net to include transvestites; he estimated them at around 75% of those requesting medical transition of some sort (sometimes only breast blants, sometimes SRS) when he was doing his research. Nowadays, the vast majority- a similar percentage- may grow breasts or get breasts implants but do no other surgery. They retain their penises and testicles, which actually makes sense, since their sex drive is the source of their desire to be women.
It's men with autogynephilia who have a high chance of having NPD or another paraphilia. However, I don't know about studies of PDs being done on women who identify as trans; maybe there's also more likelihood there. In general, mental illness is absolutely rife in this crowd (and I say this as someone with a neurodevelopmental disorder which sometimes entails anxiety and depression, too, and as someone with C-PTSD). And cults and regimes make everyone crazy in the sense that they make people behave in ways they wouldn't on their own.
Nonetheless, I believe the people who are going after others for saying no, often going to great lengths, are mainly personality-disordered men. Having known quite a few narcissists, their reaction is classical narcissistic rage due to narcissistic injury. This also explains why they cannot accept that they are male, and decide to be "trans women." The ruination of the identity fantasy causes them narcissistic injury. The feel the person who doesn't agree they're women is trying to attack the core of their being, and they go after that person to destroy them in kind.
It's certainly *not* homosexual transsexuals (for the most part) being so unreasonable. It's these raging narcissists, who are mostly straight men with autogynephilia.
My young adult son is one such mtf narcissist. He has informed me that autogynephia doesn't exist, that Ray Blanchard was completely discredited. That's what the new recruits are being taught by the cult leaders.
Ms. Chu's writing is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this essay. She's just one trans activist. She's a convenient straw....(person?) for your argument but is it an accurate assessment of the movement's motivations as a whole?
It's pervasive. Check out the Reddit forums for MTFs -- how did they 'know' they were women? What makes them feel 'girly' (and somehow it's almost always girly, even if we're talking about middle-aged adults)? Why do they fetishize female experiences by faking periods or even pregnancies (and even crashing pregnancy-loss forums)?
I do think autogynephilia is a major driver of the form trans activism takes. That's why sex difference can never be acknowledged (punctures the fantasy). That's why all the vitriol is directed at peaceful but dissenting women, rather than the violent males who actually kill trans-identifying people. That's why the nonsense claims proliferate (I'm biologically female because my altered birth certificate says so), rather than the more reasonable line of "I'm a male person who feels more comfortable presenting this way."
I miss the author of this piece -- not sure where she went off to -- but think about it a lot:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1171239053867569152.html
And I've had a lot of conversations with young female desisters and detransitioners who talk about how being exposed to men who identify as women and who play-act being a woman by being dumb, ditsy, incompetent, etc., strongly contributed to their trans identification.
e.g., Carey Callahan: "For me this is the crux of the тАЬwhat relationship can detrans women have to the trans communityтАЭ issue. It would be psychologically harmful for me to be around someone getting off on playing тАЬdumb bitch.тАЭ So I canтАЩt expect any other female to put herself around that either. тАЬ strange how the very things that make me NOT want to be a woman are what makes those people WANT to be one... And since Andrea Long Chu has been celebrated for clarifying that his trans identity is absolutely about masochism, can us females please stop being expected to ignore what he is selling books shouting? the bimbofication thing is so appalling to me- really makes me think of how the tw I knew CONSTANTLY called themself a "clumsy bitch" or "dumb slut" or other misogynistic things in a "cutesy" way"
I can tell you think that the AGP is the skeleton key here and you will pick your sources to prove that point. I see the AGP community (if it could be described as such) as adjacent to but not central in promulgating trans ideology. Rooting around Reddit may yield some great pull quotes but drawing conclusions based on that sampling could lead you into some unfruitful cul-de-sacs. I would caution you to avoid a one-size-fits-all answer.
It's not a one-size-fits-all answer. It's a "this explains some features of trans activism that don't make sense otherwise." I think there's a lot going on with trans and not looking for a simple story.
Glad to hear it.
porn is abuse whether the actors are gay men, female or children
So 90% of trans тАЬwomen,тАЭ and the people funding the movement as well, arenтАЩt тАЬcentralтАЭ to it? Where do you think all the personality-disordered people enforcing its cultish and totalitarian aspects come from? Homosexual transsexuals?
The role of autogynphelia and its close relationship to narcissism and to other forms of paraphilia cannot be overstated when it comes to examining the current destructive and deeply misogynistic face of this movement.
nicely put - but the taxonomy of natal-male gender-related paraphilias has more branches than outlined here. The venn diagram becomes quickly complex. There are straight, g@y, bi, bi-curious, repressed-g@y natal-men, there are transvestites, crossdressers, HPWs, hoarders, AGPs, 'Arnold Layne's, underwтВм@r fetishists, fembois, ladyboys, shтВмmales, pre-op trannies, chicks-with-d!cks, TV/TS/Tx who want to get it on with other TV/TS/Txs, 'Admirers' who are often 'straight' or were thus, or are 'bi-curious'. I could go on. As an ex-paraphile, longtime member of TVchix (now left), recovering AGP and now father of a ROGD daughter this whole thing has come crashing down on my secret life and I am now in therapy and finally honest with my wife.
Sissy-hypno is a very dangerous medium - deeply misogynistic ('you want to be a stupid blonde bimbo, you live to serve men, ...' etc etc. seductive voiceovers with kaleidoscopic graphics interspersed with soft/hard porn, fashion shots, glossed lips, etc. Some of it is very well produced, money is being spent somewhere - and there are sissy hypnos freely available on apple podcasts with no 'adult content' warning.
Eliza, you are amazing btw. Stuff I read in here is helping me make sense of my mostly wasted, mostly unhappy, closeted life.
Porn is a big part of it all, both in channelling shy boys towards effeminacy, and inducing disgust in adolescent girls about their own bodies, about men, and with enormous justification, about the revolting hypocrisy of the 'free world' and the unending exploitation of their sisterhood. But men are exploited too - we are made to take more notice of one product over another because of the alluring model in the advertising content. we are lured to 'risque' material, 'adult' material, 'hardcore' material, the narratives therein reinforcing our incipient self-knowledge of being inadequates.
It is all just the most enormous sh!tsh0w.
Of course, but I'm talking about trans women. Ray Blanchard has estimated around 90% these days fall into the AGP camp, since transgenderism officially broadened its net to include transvestites; he estimated them at around 75% of those requesting medical transition of some sort (sometimes only breast blants, sometimes SRS) when he was doing his research. Nowadays, the vast majority- a similar percentage- may grow breasts or get breasts implants but do no other surgery. They retain their penises and testicles, which actually makes sense, since their sex drive is the source of their desire to be women.
It's men with autogynephilia who have a high chance of having NPD or another paraphilia. However, I don't know about studies of PDs being done on women who identify as trans; maybe there's also more likelihood there. In general, mental illness is absolutely rife in this crowd (and I say this as someone with a neurodevelopmental disorder which sometimes entails anxiety and depression, too, and as someone with C-PTSD). And cults and regimes make everyone crazy in the sense that they make people behave in ways they wouldn't on their own.
Nonetheless, I believe the people who are going after others for saying no, often going to great lengths, are mainly personality-disordered men. Having known quite a few narcissists, their reaction is classical narcissistic rage due to narcissistic injury. This also explains why they cannot accept that they are male, and decide to be "trans women." The ruination of the identity fantasy causes them narcissistic injury. The feel the person who doesn't agree they're women is trying to attack the core of their being, and they go after that person to destroy them in kind.
It's certainly *not* homosexual transsexuals (for the most part) being so unreasonable. It's these raging narcissists, who are mostly straight men with autogynephilia.
*breast implants!
My young adult son is one such mtf narcissist. He has informed me that autogynephia doesn't exist, that Ray Blanchard was completely discredited. That's what the new recruits are being taught by the cult leaders.
massively agree - well put
Please stop calling sexist men she.
And as Eliza says, ChuтАЩs work exemplifies and typifies the writing and thinking of other men like him.