Answers run the gamut from “a few seconds” to “decades” but I’m struck by the number of answers in the one day to a couple of months range, and how closely medical interventions follow on the heels of these ‘epiphanies’: depending on how you look at it, either a month or 38 years or something in between
In some ways, the most interesting response is this one:
"Somewhere between 14 years and a month, depending how you look at it. I was ok with saying I was "androgynous" for about 14 years before I really stopped to think about what that means. Then a month of crisis before coming out."
'Ok saying I was androgynous for about 14 years'...
It would be fascinating to talk to this person in depth, and what they mean when they say '..before I really stopped to think what that means'.
It sounds as if they accepted being gender-non-conforming for years.
But then what happened in the 'month of crisis'? Was it a month of falling down an internet rabbit hole?
What a great mechanism to indirectly expose the break down of critical/objective thinking skills in our respective global societies. We have been infantilized, where messaging on just about any issue or talking point...even the most benign and inconsequential, is done via a cartoon presentation.
I'm in the aerospace industry (I work for one of the B ig ones), we routinely have virtual and web based trainings, in cartoon form. Sorry, but it pisses me off on two fronts...I am a professional adult, not a child and this company is telling the more feeble minded, that this is the norm, not just in a fortune 100 setting, but adult life in general. I am seriously waiting to see someone, on a virtual meeting in a fury costume...I'm not joking at all.
As I am sure you have covered previously (I only found your stack recently), this points to another part of this grooming strategy, that has been an underlying presence for decades in education, religion and entertainment.
Early exposure and grooming (kindergarten) for any identity and ideology agenda is the invisible elephant in the room. Much like heavy metal poisonings was and still is, for many neurologic and behavioral issues.
The typical 5 year old responds to bright colors, noise, silly language and behaviors, recognition and praise. Just using a non-scientific observation...libs of tiktok...you see all these behaviors and attractive props present in these grooming rooms. Give me a day or two and I sure I could convince virtually ANY 5 year old, that they are an animal, dinosaur, boy, girl, vegetable,, etc., and that their parents are wrong about everything.
Aside from the boy/girl and last part, I have done this with my nephews and niece, when playing. Of course my goal was not to indoc them into an ideology, but if it were and I were given a school year and showed them video of parades, parties, cartoons and fun stuff...with adults, reflecting the false reality, they would readily adopt the false identity....especially if they went home to parents, that sincerely said, yes Jimmy, you are a cabbage dinosaur and we need to get you medication and surgery.
I would love to see a study/experiment done, where over the span of months, kindergarteners are presented with different identities and an adult example/advocate for those identities (teacher). How many would be adopted and how quickly could you get them to shift to another. Of course that would be mentally cruel and abusive...so why don't we see the trans and sexual grooming the same way?
My apologies for veering way off the course you set here.
Thanks for doing great work, it's very appreciated!
We are being infantilised en masse in many ways that are almost indiscernible.
Our 'news' feeds are filled with countless personal stories about brides not liking what her groom's mother wore to the wedding. We're bombarded with demands to 'give feedback' on every purchase we make, no matter how trivial, and convinced that our opinion on those oven mitts truly matters. We're 'educated' on 'pressing social issues' (men are women, mask wearing, vaccination, etc) by cartoons, vapid sloganeering, 1 line memes and authoritarian hectoring.
We are not credited with reason and the ability to engage in debate.
We are distracted with inanities and meaningless activities that flatter our childish egos.
The contempt we are held in by those with the political and economic power - which are very rarely our elected political leaders, and most often corporate behemoths - is astonishing.
But it's working for them.
We do their work for them under the concocted guise of 'empowerment'.
Great comments! Scary to hear how engineering is using this anime format. As a retired K teacher, I can tell you children ideate all sorts of things: a pretend friend, a pretend sibling, a grandparent who died coming back to live, stuffed animals talking to them, real animals talking to them. They make up stuff about what their brother did to them and have to figure out if it happened that way, because its mandated to report some of this stuff. Thanks, connecting!
Keep us connected regarding the infiltration in your world!
Ute Heggen, author, in the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
Very scary. If this isn't proof of social contagion, I don't know what is.
When my then husband did his PhD and non-credentialed groomer appointments back in the 1990s, it was all about whether he liked how he looked cross-dressing. They did not tell him honestly that that "affirmation" he was getting in Manhattan's Greenwich Village should not be taken seriously. He entered a foreign world with different language, different social habits--perhaps it helped him run away from the beatings his father gave him and his younger sister when young, and the pretend BS that it didn't happen from their mother?
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
The indoctrination and grooming always targets (directly or by it's covert mechanisms of false acceptance/safety) the weak, vulnerable, abused or in the cases of kids innocently moldable.
The doctrine feeds on the targets' need to be accepted, wanted, loved, included, safe, feel a sense of empowerment in a powerless existence, given direction, a purpose and in many cases a shared identity...there's more to be sure. Cults have capitalized on these modus operandi for centuries. Jim Jones is a great lesson on this, if you dig into him and the mechanics of his "ministry".
Ute, just clicked on your Wordpress link. Please start a Substack...the added voice is needed here. This platform, seems to be a town square of sorts...at least for the time being anyway...and the more conversations we can add to it, the better we will collectively be.
Thanks, Connecting-the-Dots! I am celebrating my new passing-colors eye exam for today's results not pointing to imminent retinal detachment, but merely aging of the vitreous fluid of my myopic eyes. I don't blame the optometrist who did the first exam Friday, when I wandered in asking about seeing flashes. But very, very grateful to the eye surgeon who saved my son's eye from a terrible injury in 1994, is still graciously in practice.
He and I came full circle today, when I said, "I feel I should say the Shehecheyanu" (Jewish prayer of thanksgiving) when he said, looking at my optometrist's report and the more detailed one his staff had just recorded. He reads my hair as blonde and said, "I remember you as a redhead, sorry I didn't know you right away." Funny that late in life my hair reads as blonde, when it's probably 60 percent white. Never got my color out of a box. I found out that people travel from all over upstate NY to go to this science-based, always pushing forward, eye doctor. He's invented a tool! Please, I refuse to see Marci Bowers and Erica Anderson in the same profession.
For a longer bit about this, and the Brooklyn woo I had to witness as we returned, women who are mothers, with obviously mutilated chests, outshouting children they seem to have birthed, check in a day or two on uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com.
I love navigatingbyshadow.wordpress.com, a cohort, a support, a sister who went through more than I can say here when her brother started saying he wanted to start looking more like their mother. I don't know if I can jump to substack. I take it as a compliment.
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
Thank GOD, literally, that your diagnosis was positive, so you can continue to write and enlighten others. I think the substack jump would be an easy "cut and past", as you do your wordpress pieces. I felt like it was a daunting prospect before I started, and now that has shifted to, wanting to write content that is useful others. That's my last pitch, as not to overstep.
I'll take a look at your other works. Thanks for sharing and glad you are well!
Feel free to pitch again! Thanks. I appreciate your confidence in me. I have something like 7k who've read almost 34k posts, since January this year. I will look into it. I won't make it monetized. Managing comments would probably be the difficulty. Meanwhile, Colin Wright at Reality's Last Stand says he's going to contact me. It's a great site, I recommend.
In some ways, the most interesting response is this one:
"Somewhere between 14 years and a month, depending how you look at it. I was ok with saying I was "androgynous" for about 14 years before I really stopped to think about what that means. Then a month of crisis before coming out."
'Ok saying I was androgynous for about 14 years'...
It would be fascinating to talk to this person in depth, and what they mean when they say '..before I really stopped to think what that means'.
It sounds as if they accepted being gender-non-conforming for years.
But then what happened in the 'month of crisis'? Was it a month of falling down an internet rabbit hole?
P.S. that comment appears twice in your article. Is it 2 different people?
So weird that so many people who "dont't exist" (ROGD transitioners) would be posting their stories.
Eliza,
What a great mechanism to indirectly expose the break down of critical/objective thinking skills in our respective global societies. We have been infantilized, where messaging on just about any issue or talking point...even the most benign and inconsequential, is done via a cartoon presentation.
I'm in the aerospace industry (I work for one of the B ig ones), we routinely have virtual and web based trainings, in cartoon form. Sorry, but it pisses me off on two fronts...I am a professional adult, not a child and this company is telling the more feeble minded, that this is the norm, not just in a fortune 100 setting, but adult life in general. I am seriously waiting to see someone, on a virtual meeting in a fury costume...I'm not joking at all.
As I am sure you have covered previously (I only found your stack recently), this points to another part of this grooming strategy, that has been an underlying presence for decades in education, religion and entertainment.
Early exposure and grooming (kindergarten) for any identity and ideology agenda is the invisible elephant in the room. Much like heavy metal poisonings was and still is, for many neurologic and behavioral issues.
The typical 5 year old responds to bright colors, noise, silly language and behaviors, recognition and praise. Just using a non-scientific observation...libs of tiktok...you see all these behaviors and attractive props present in these grooming rooms. Give me a day or two and I sure I could convince virtually ANY 5 year old, that they are an animal, dinosaur, boy, girl, vegetable,, etc., and that their parents are wrong about everything.
Aside from the boy/girl and last part, I have done this with my nephews and niece, when playing. Of course my goal was not to indoc them into an ideology, but if it were and I were given a school year and showed them video of parades, parties, cartoons and fun stuff...with adults, reflecting the false reality, they would readily adopt the false identity....especially if they went home to parents, that sincerely said, yes Jimmy, you are a cabbage dinosaur and we need to get you medication and surgery.
I would love to see a study/experiment done, where over the span of months, kindergarteners are presented with different identities and an adult example/advocate for those identities (teacher). How many would be adopted and how quickly could you get them to shift to another. Of course that would be mentally cruel and abusive...so why don't we see the trans and sexual grooming the same way?
My apologies for veering way off the course you set here.
Thanks for doing great work, it's very appreciated!
We are being infantilised en masse in many ways that are almost indiscernible.
Our 'news' feeds are filled with countless personal stories about brides not liking what her groom's mother wore to the wedding. We're bombarded with demands to 'give feedback' on every purchase we make, no matter how trivial, and convinced that our opinion on those oven mitts truly matters. We're 'educated' on 'pressing social issues' (men are women, mask wearing, vaccination, etc) by cartoons, vapid sloganeering, 1 line memes and authoritarian hectoring.
We are not credited with reason and the ability to engage in debate.
We are distracted with inanities and meaningless activities that flatter our childish egos.
The contempt we are held in by those with the political and economic power - which are very rarely our elected political leaders, and most often corporate behemoths - is astonishing.
But it's working for them.
We do their work for them under the concocted guise of 'empowerment'.
Great comments! Scary to hear how engineering is using this anime format. As a retired K teacher, I can tell you children ideate all sorts of things: a pretend friend, a pretend sibling, a grandparent who died coming back to live, stuffed animals talking to them, real animals talking to them. They make up stuff about what their brother did to them and have to figure out if it happened that way, because its mandated to report some of this stuff. Thanks, connecting!
Keep us connected regarding the infiltration in your world!
Ute Heggen, author, in the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com
You know how I know I'm NOT trans? I find the idea "I would have to be male to have the thoughts and feelings I'm having" utterly insulting.
Religious converts I have known could have said many of these things in almost the exact same way.
Very scary. If this isn't proof of social contagion, I don't know what is.
When my then husband did his PhD and non-credentialed groomer appointments back in the 1990s, it was all about whether he liked how he looked cross-dressing. They did not tell him honestly that that "affirmation" he was getting in Manhattan's Greenwich Village should not be taken seriously. He entered a foreign world with different language, different social habits--perhaps it helped him run away from the beatings his father gave him and his younger sister when young, and the pretend BS that it didn't happen from their mother?
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com
The indoctrination and grooming always targets (directly or by it's covert mechanisms of false acceptance/safety) the weak, vulnerable, abused or in the cases of kids innocently moldable.
The doctrine feeds on the targets' need to be accepted, wanted, loved, included, safe, feel a sense of empowerment in a powerless existence, given direction, a purpose and in many cases a shared identity...there's more to be sure. Cults have capitalized on these modus operandi for centuries. Jim Jones is a great lesson on this, if you dig into him and the mechanics of his "ministry".
Ute, just clicked on your Wordpress link. Please start a Substack...the added voice is needed here. This platform, seems to be a town square of sorts...at least for the time being anyway...and the more conversations we can add to it, the better we will collectively be.
Thanks, Connecting-the-Dots! I am celebrating my new passing-colors eye exam for today's results not pointing to imminent retinal detachment, but merely aging of the vitreous fluid of my myopic eyes. I don't blame the optometrist who did the first exam Friday, when I wandered in asking about seeing flashes. But very, very grateful to the eye surgeon who saved my son's eye from a terrible injury in 1994, is still graciously in practice.
He and I came full circle today, when I said, "I feel I should say the Shehecheyanu" (Jewish prayer of thanksgiving) when he said, looking at my optometrist's report and the more detailed one his staff had just recorded. He reads my hair as blonde and said, "I remember you as a redhead, sorry I didn't know you right away." Funny that late in life my hair reads as blonde, when it's probably 60 percent white. Never got my color out of a box. I found out that people travel from all over upstate NY to go to this science-based, always pushing forward, eye doctor. He's invented a tool! Please, I refuse to see Marci Bowers and Erica Anderson in the same profession.
For a longer bit about this, and the Brooklyn woo I had to witness as we returned, women who are mothers, with obviously mutilated chests, outshouting children they seem to have birthed, check in a day or two on uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com.
I love navigatingbyshadow.wordpress.com, a cohort, a support, a sister who went through more than I can say here when her brother started saying he wanted to start looking more like their mother. I don't know if I can jump to substack. I take it as a compliment.
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
Thank GOD, literally, that your diagnosis was positive, so you can continue to write and enlighten others. I think the substack jump would be an easy "cut and past", as you do your wordpress pieces. I felt like it was a daunting prospect before I started, and now that has shifted to, wanting to write content that is useful others. That's my last pitch, as not to overstep.
I'll take a look at your other works. Thanks for sharing and glad you are well!
Feel free to pitch again! Thanks. I appreciate your confidence in me. I have something like 7k who've read almost 34k posts, since January this year. I will look into it. I won't make it monetized. Managing comments would probably be the difficulty. Meanwhile, Colin Wright at Reality's Last Stand says he's going to contact me. It's a great site, I recommend.
I looked through the reddit. My brain stopped.