I agree with most of what you say but not the claim that the difference between gays and trans is "pretty simple". Both groups are talking about subjective/internal feelings that exist for them. The problem we have is the current trans ideology which claims that society should accept male-born humans' claim to that they actually are wome…
I agree with most of what you say but not the claim that the difference between gays and trans is "pretty simple". Both groups are talking about subjective/internal feelings that exist for them. The problem we have is the current trans ideology which claims that society should accept male-born humans' claim to that they actually are women as a reason to alter laws, policies and practices, including language that concern female-born humans.
There are several societies with established third gender roles - that is the appropriate way forward for trans-women and trans-men. Not false claims and demands that undermine female safety and medicalize kids etc. But instead of being reinforced by political activity, the acceptance and safety of those third gender roles is being undermined by the demands of Western trans ideology. This has already happened in some Middle Eastern societies which have rejected their long traditions of accepting male same sex activity - Western homosexual roles mean gay men no longer give priority to their family of origin and that was crucial to acceptance of the sex activity. This highlights the fact that the traditional third gender roles are too constrained to enable men and women to live modern independent lives. Activism to modify and establish new third gender roles is the real way forward. The existence of classic early onset trans-women over centuries and in many human societies (that doesn't include ROGD) means for me that I accept their subjective experience is different and likely due to some form of physiological developmental failure in the process to become male. Therefore I do not reject trans-women. I reject modern trans-ideology and the policies and practices this involves.
I think you are a little more knowledgeable about other cultures than I am, and perhaps understand the nuances of this issue better than I do. I tend to see things in black and white.
I also think there is a place for trans women in the world; they just need to exhibit more humility.
I agree with most of what you say but not the claim that the difference between gays and trans is "pretty simple". Both groups are talking about subjective/internal feelings that exist for them. The problem we have is the current trans ideology which claims that society should accept male-born humans' claim to that they actually are women as a reason to alter laws, policies and practices, including language that concern female-born humans.
There are several societies with established third gender roles - that is the appropriate way forward for trans-women and trans-men. Not false claims and demands that undermine female safety and medicalize kids etc. But instead of being reinforced by political activity, the acceptance and safety of those third gender roles is being undermined by the demands of Western trans ideology. This has already happened in some Middle Eastern societies which have rejected their long traditions of accepting male same sex activity - Western homosexual roles mean gay men no longer give priority to their family of origin and that was crucial to acceptance of the sex activity. This highlights the fact that the traditional third gender roles are too constrained to enable men and women to live modern independent lives. Activism to modify and establish new third gender roles is the real way forward. The existence of classic early onset trans-women over centuries and in many human societies (that doesn't include ROGD) means for me that I accept their subjective experience is different and likely due to some form of physiological developmental failure in the process to become male. Therefore I do not reject trans-women. I reject modern trans-ideology and the policies and practices this involves.
I think you are a little more knowledgeable about other cultures than I am, and perhaps understand the nuances of this issue better than I do. I tend to see things in black and white.
I also think there is a place for trans women in the world; they just need to exhibit more humility.