This is excellent and timely. Thank you, Eliza. These are exactly the questions that need to be posed not just to the activists but to the everyday Democrat, community member, organizational leader, neighbor. In writing to the media, politicians, cultural organizations who are "captured" or are "allies" - or talking with friends - I'm trying to employ questions like these. And: "When you say you support "trans kids" or "gender affirming care", what is it exactly you understand yourself to be supporting?"
This is exactly the right track to not accept their flowery euphemisms and ask them to describe in concrete detail what it is they are supporting. Orwell's excellent "Politics and the English Language," is a big help in identifying the obfuscating tactics queer theory based gender ideologues use.
I'm guessing I'm not alone as someone to come of age in the 1970's reading 2nd wave feminism's critique of gender stereotypes - and assuming that we had finally relegated those regressive culture marker stereotypes of - what makes one "male" - or what makes one "female" - to the dustbin of history forever. I must admit it is stunning to see those stereotypes now openly resurrected, dusted off, polished up, and proudly displayed - complete with bright red lipstick and high heals - this time on biological men - in what appears to be an incredibly regressive parody of women.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that along with this "re-embrace" of these incredibly regressive stereotypes of female "gender" markers - this movement has also dusted off and reclaimed blatant, openly violent, physically abusive, verbally abusive, and emotionally abusive - "misogyny" - from the dustbin of history - and has similarly not only resurrected it, but simply rebranded it as - "brave trans activism."
Great questions for reflection. We can always use more of that.
The pull to identify as something -- ally, trans, whatever -- is so strong. It's so interesting because the U.S. is supposedly all about freedom and yet freedom of speech and thought are dwindling in favor of unquestioning allegiance to one's "team". An evolutionary perspective might lead us to believe this is due to humans' powerful need to belong but unquestioning allegiance is not belonging. The "security" it offers is that of a violent spouse who would just as soon harm you if you disobey them. This isn't belonging, this isn't acceptance, it's control.
Absolutely correct.! It’s ALL about control..changing language, shaming and threatening people, lying to get their way!The very picture of authoritarianism!
Well 'effin said! Our friend Baker is your typical tra - now basking in his long awaited and hard sought after fame. The fact that he is the founder of the Transprisoner Alliance is astounding, and will probably be misinterpreted and have the Met falling over their pretty lanyards and him in a cell with women!
His YT is sarahjanebaker2, if anyone fancies a gander. Thanks for sharing the excellent read Eliza - spot on!
Any ex wives? I now have data from 44 of us trans widows, we who left the untenable marriage. Vaishnavi Sundar has 2 trailers from her documentary of us up on Lime Soda Films youtube channel. The rates of impoverishment after the split, sexual coercion, defamation of the ex-wife in court or on social media and the insistence of the man to be named 'mother' are shocking.
Already wrote these kinds of questions to my state representatives. I have yet to hear back.
Not my first time writing them about this issue; just the first time I asked it this way.
And when they’ve replied in the past, it’s always some bull about “I stand as an ally of the LGBTQ+ community blah blah blah”, and each time, I tell them “As your constituent, in a same-sex marriage, I need you to know that I am still opposed to this, and so are many LGB people. You need to pay attention. Please note LGB Alliance and Gays Against Groomers. What you are interpreting as a community in solidarity, is actually forced teaming in the media of truly same-sex attracted people (LGB) to this extreme group of people who deny sex is even real (trans). What you think is LGBTQ+ community is just propaganda. Going with the transgender trend hasn’t gone well for Target or another big company, but maybe you think you’re an exception. Transwomen are men, and the more this trans movement exposes it’s true goals, the more I think many voters will agree that denying reality is a losing cause. When that happens, you will wish you’d changed your mind sooner.”
We’ll see if my new correspondence draws an actually thoughtful response this time. Even if it doesn’t, they can’t say we didn’t warn them.
I share Kara Dansky’s theory that trans activists silence TERFs a lot more aggressively than they do with any conservative because they know they wouldn’t stand a chance against us in the media. Trans activists know they can’t debate us, so they use violence instead.
And you could tell your representatives that you won’t be voting for them if they still support the trans ideology! If Democrats don’t wake up to this , a lot of women will no longer be voting for them!
Around here voting against them is the only way to clear a new slate for the primaries. We've had the same bunch in since before 9/11 and they were just as unresponsive about that and the Iraq war as they are now on other subjects. They need to go, but there is no way to do that within the party.
I was pleased to see some pushback in our local message board when someone posted about one of the local small burgs having a pride parade complete with trans /drag queens. A couple of people responded quite reasonably about how many of their gay relatives and coworkers thought pride had become a circus and they just wanted to live their lives and not be associated with such things. I hope their points are well taken.
I had been listening to a youtuber who was calling out Fat Acceptance. She had some good points, but she lost me when she started babbling about feeling unsafe because she and her (male) boyfriend were 'qweer' and 'pan' and they were going to pride but were scared of violence...I was just, eff you chickie, yer a damn hetrosexual in a hetrosexual relatioship. No one is going to lynch you over the stupid rainbow earrings in 'pan flag colors' no matter how hideous. God people just want to be 'oppressed' for points these days.
How about "research" telling us that "off-spring focus" is bad in pregnancy for natal females who want to still take testosterone while pregnant. They claim we're too interested in "normal outcomes" as if testosterone was not already known for teratogenic (damage to fetus) effects. Here's part 1 of RN, Jennifer Lahl (Center for Bio-Ethics & Culture) and Kallie Fell's response to this nonsense. Would it take babies born to "men" who have developmental delays or heart disease?
Money? Millions and millions of dollars behind this...secrecy: nobody knew about this until it had metastasized like a cancer, and to look back in history, it doesn’t take a majority to take over !
Yep. Crazy person here, but once I saw it in 2015, thanks to the publicly enforced censorship concernig the identity of Johnathan Yaniv, his hairy balls and the persecution and censorship of Gallus Mag for revealing his name, I could not unsee it. This has been a long op.
I wonder that even if they lose, they will put two and two together. I don’t think they would attribute their loss to the trans ideology that they support hook line and sinker. It’s only if we let them know why we will not vote for them because of this issue that they might learn. They are way too invested in this crap!
The Weffers fund the .5% making them seem huge. But one glance at the streets of Europe tells you who is violent or not, and who the majority actually is.
Good advice! Its always good to calmly advise and let the misguided one save face while reconsidering the redpilling, the Turning, the brave act of altering allegiances that were formed out of one’s sad indoctrination and weakness of character. You’re dealing, after all, with those few who have such very thin skin, you can’t look their way without “offending”!
Excellent way to take the emotion out of it and just ask questions. A lot of it is just emotions, with no rational reasoning. Like asking someone why xXxX is a racist, fascist, etc. They have no logical reason to give you. They just KNOW they are!
You know it's a cult when it starts out trumpeting human rights, love and acceptance and quickly pivots to dehumanisation of its critics and advocacy of violence. The same can be observed with many cults, e.g. the Manson family, the Church of Jim Jones, and the Japanese cult Aum Shinrikyo.
These are great questions to ask. Asking anyone “what would you need to see in order to change your mind?” Is one of the most powerful questions you could ask. Thank you b
This is excellent and timely. Thank you, Eliza. These are exactly the questions that need to be posed not just to the activists but to the everyday Democrat, community member, organizational leader, neighbor. In writing to the media, politicians, cultural organizations who are "captured" or are "allies" - or talking with friends - I'm trying to employ questions like these. And: "When you say you support "trans kids" or "gender affirming care", what is it exactly you understand yourself to be supporting?"
Ooh, I like that last question. That's a good one. We should compile a long list!
This is exactly the right track to not accept their flowery euphemisms and ask them to describe in concrete detail what it is they are supporting. Orwell's excellent "Politics and the English Language," is a big help in identifying the obfuscating tactics queer theory based gender ideologues use.
https://bioinfo.uib.es/~joemiro/RecEscr/PoliticsandEngLang.pdf
I'm guessing I'm not alone as someone to come of age in the 1970's reading 2nd wave feminism's critique of gender stereotypes - and assuming that we had finally relegated those regressive culture marker stereotypes of - what makes one "male" - or what makes one "female" - to the dustbin of history forever. I must admit it is stunning to see those stereotypes now openly resurrected, dusted off, polished up, and proudly displayed - complete with bright red lipstick and high heals - this time on biological men - in what appears to be an incredibly regressive parody of women.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that along with this "re-embrace" of these incredibly regressive stereotypes of female "gender" markers - this movement has also dusted off and reclaimed blatant, openly violent, physically abusive, verbally abusive, and emotionally abusive - "misogyny" - from the dustbin of history - and has similarly not only resurrected it, but simply rebranded it as - "brave trans activism."
Spot on! Plain old misogyny rebranded as "stunning and brave".
Yes, almost as if 50 years of progress went out the window in 5.
Amen.
You and me are NOT free to be you and me
You’re asking these people to think? 😮💨
Thinking is free and people can start anytime.
That’s true. I just don’t think these people are capable 🤷🏻♀️
I think most people are capable. The incentives are just stacked against free thought at the moment.
I think these people also can’t admit when they’re wrong cos the fear of looking stupid is too great.
I think people are more afraid of their friends and the social consequences than of looking stupid.
Indeed. Social ostracization is a powerful threat.
I’m curious what incentives are you speaking of ? Great article BTW.
I wish! I wish!
Great questions for reflection. We can always use more of that.
The pull to identify as something -- ally, trans, whatever -- is so strong. It's so interesting because the U.S. is supposedly all about freedom and yet freedom of speech and thought are dwindling in favor of unquestioning allegiance to one's "team". An evolutionary perspective might lead us to believe this is due to humans' powerful need to belong but unquestioning allegiance is not belonging. The "security" it offers is that of a violent spouse who would just as soon harm you if you disobey them. This isn't belonging, this isn't acceptance, it's control.
Absolutely correct.! It’s ALL about control..changing language, shaming and threatening people, lying to get their way!The very picture of authoritarianism!
Well 'effin said! Our friend Baker is your typical tra - now basking in his long awaited and hard sought after fame. The fact that he is the founder of the Transprisoner Alliance is astounding, and will probably be misinterpreted and have the Met falling over their pretty lanyards and him in a cell with women!
His YT is sarahjanebaker2, if anyone fancies a gander. Thanks for sharing the excellent read Eliza - spot on!
Any ex wives? I now have data from 44 of us trans widows, we who left the untenable marriage. Vaishnavi Sundar has 2 trailers from her documentary of us up on Lime Soda Films youtube channel. The rates of impoverishment after the split, sexual coercion, defamation of the ex-wife in court or on social media and the insistence of the man to be named 'mother' are shocking.
Already wrote these kinds of questions to my state representatives. I have yet to hear back.
Not my first time writing them about this issue; just the first time I asked it this way.
And when they’ve replied in the past, it’s always some bull about “I stand as an ally of the LGBTQ+ community blah blah blah”, and each time, I tell them “As your constituent, in a same-sex marriage, I need you to know that I am still opposed to this, and so are many LGB people. You need to pay attention. Please note LGB Alliance and Gays Against Groomers. What you are interpreting as a community in solidarity, is actually forced teaming in the media of truly same-sex attracted people (LGB) to this extreme group of people who deny sex is even real (trans). What you think is LGBTQ+ community is just propaganda. Going with the transgender trend hasn’t gone well for Target or another big company, but maybe you think you’re an exception. Transwomen are men, and the more this trans movement exposes it’s true goals, the more I think many voters will agree that denying reality is a losing cause. When that happens, you will wish you’d changed your mind sooner.”
We’ll see if my new correspondence draws an actually thoughtful response this time. Even if it doesn’t, they can’t say we didn’t warn them.
I share Kara Dansky’s theory that trans activists silence TERFs a lot more aggressively than they do with any conservative because they know they wouldn’t stand a chance against us in the media. Trans activists know they can’t debate us, so they use violence instead.
And you could tell your representatives that you won’t be voting for them if they still support the trans ideology! If Democrats don’t wake up to this , a lot of women will no longer be voting for them!
I've written emails to that effect to all of my representatives and Biden. Specifically about protecting Title IX.
Around here voting against them is the only way to clear a new slate for the primaries. We've had the same bunch in since before 9/11 and they were just as unresponsive about that and the Iraq war as they are now on other subjects. They need to go, but there is no way to do that within the party.
I was pleased to see some pushback in our local message board when someone posted about one of the local small burgs having a pride parade complete with trans /drag queens. A couple of people responded quite reasonably about how many of their gay relatives and coworkers thought pride had become a circus and they just wanted to live their lives and not be associated with such things. I hope their points are well taken.
I had been listening to a youtuber who was calling out Fat Acceptance. She had some good points, but she lost me when she started babbling about feeling unsafe because she and her (male) boyfriend were 'qweer' and 'pan' and they were going to pride but were scared of violence...I was just, eff you chickie, yer a damn hetrosexual in a hetrosexual relatioship. No one is going to lynch you over the stupid rainbow earrings in 'pan flag colors' no matter how hideous. God people just want to be 'oppressed' for points these days.
"No worthy cause asks you to close your eyes and let someone else tell you what you see."
Enough said.
How about "research" telling us that "off-spring focus" is bad in pregnancy for natal females who want to still take testosterone while pregnant. They claim we're too interested in "normal outcomes" as if testosterone was not already known for teratogenic (damage to fetus) effects. Here's part 1 of RN, Jennifer Lahl (Center for Bio-Ethics & Culture) and Kallie Fell's response to this nonsense. Would it take babies born to "men" who have developmental delays or heart disease?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiExAAxYgso
Or...if democracy means ‘by the majority’ how is it that a group comprised of less than 1% of the population got to be so powerful?
Money? Millions and millions of dollars behind this...secrecy: nobody knew about this until it had metastasized like a cancer, and to look back in history, it doesn’t take a majority to take over !
Yep. Crazy person here, but once I saw it in 2015, thanks to the publicly enforced censorship concernig the identity of Johnathan Yaniv, his hairy balls and the persecution and censorship of Gallus Mag for revealing his name, I could not unsee it. This has been a long op.
Some people still think it” just a fad”’
I wonder that even if they lose, they will put two and two together. I don’t think they would attribute their loss to the trans ideology that they support hook line and sinker. It’s only if we let them know why we will not vote for them because of this issue that they might learn. They are way too invested in this crap!
Yes, because it’s all so insane!
The Weffers fund the .5% making them seem huge. But one glance at the streets of Europe tells you who is violent or not, and who the majority actually is.
Coming to a State and Province near you, soon.
Sorry, I should have specified that my question was rhetorical/sarcastic.
I know how the 3-letter ppl and alphabet soup-group are doing their thing, and the politicians and ‘activists’ are merely the mouthpieces.
Ball gags and deep pocket pickpockets anyone?
But will trans activitists read this? I fear you're preaching to the choir here.
Good advice! Its always good to calmly advise and let the misguided one save face while reconsidering the redpilling, the Turning, the brave act of altering allegiances that were formed out of one’s sad indoctrination and weakness of character. You’re dealing, after all, with those few who have such very thin skin, you can’t look their way without “offending”!
agreed, in order for them to contemplate such a radical ideological shift, you need to give them a bridge and babystep the conversation
Excellent way to take the emotion out of it and just ask questions. A lot of it is just emotions, with no rational reasoning. Like asking someone why xXxX is a racist, fascist, etc. They have no logical reason to give you. They just KNOW they are!
They are 100% going to defend this, just watch. If you question it they will accuse you of being a hypocrite on free speech
Plus they’ll fool,out their silly language: “transphobe” TERF, not to mention the unmentionable words to attack you.
You know it's a cult when it starts out trumpeting human rights, love and acceptance and quickly pivots to dehumanisation of its critics and advocacy of violence. The same can be observed with many cults, e.g. the Manson family, the Church of Jim Jones, and the Japanese cult Aum Shinrikyo.
Just brilliant.
These are great questions to ask. Asking anyone “what would you need to see in order to change your mind?” Is one of the most powerful questions you could ask. Thank you b