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Nov 14, 2022Liked by Eliza Mondegreen

I have gone from an active advocate of assisted dying for those who are at the end of their lives (largely because I want that choice) to an increasingly noisy opponent as a result of the extension of well-meaning legislation in may countries. I was a psychiatric nurse for years - I can't begin to calculate how many hours I followed people around because they were suicidal, but the times I used my nurses' power of detention runs into double figures. My duty was to save the lives of those who would have erroneously ended them based on a disorder of their mind which, in the majority of cases, went away after treatment. Now some countries are saying that there is no such duty, and it dismays and frightens me.

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This issue has not been on my radar. I want that choice at the end of my life too (64 now). I work singing to fragile and elderly people in a nursing home. It's so hard to see the extreme suffering at the end of so many lives and not think--I don't want this, I so don't want this. Most have some degree of dementia, and their only terminal illness is old age. So they wouldn't qualify for "death with dignity," as we have in my state. These are people whose lives were vibrant and full, but now many (not all) feel they are just waiting for death. Some regularly ask me, "why am I still here?" As they live on and on and on, deteriorating further. It breaks my heart how important the music is to them in a highly medicated and colorless existence. I would rather have a painless and legal way to exit the planet before I reach that state, and I am not mentally ill. My dad was a psychiatrist and had the utmost respect for psychiatric nurses as shaping the compassionate aspect of the profession in the 60s. He always said they were the ones on the ground, they were the ones who really led the way in changing the cruel practices of that era because they had very different training as nurses than doctors. I'd like to talk to you more about this at some point Jeremy to hear your thought process and how (if?) you believe we can address this issue regarding the aging population, maybe off this thread as it's not Eliza's main point. Do you think someone like me should have the right to decide how my life ends when I am still fully capable of making that decision? Would there even by a way to do this ethically, without the slippery slope fallout?

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Thank you, Elizabeth, for those wonderful words. I'm not going to say much more here so as not to hijack the thread, but I would indeed like to talk more with you. I don't know how to pass on contact details via substack, though.

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If you subscribe to her I do believe she'll have your email if she wants to get in touch.

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It's sorted, thanks.

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Nov 14, 2022Liked by Eliza Mondegreen

Hi Eliza, fellow Canadian here (I live in Toronto) and you’re really onto something here. As Canadians, we like to believe we are both kind and moderate, especially compared to our neighbours in the U.S. As you’ve explained, it’s a bad combination.

Worse still, I think we also like to see ourselves as tolerant and open-minded. “It’s not for me, but I won’t question or criticize other people’s choices.”

It’s incredible to me that all of these “good” qualities can add up to something so bad.

Last thought, I was recently talking to someone here who is active in the fight against transing kids. He thinks this will eventually become something like the conversation about Indian residential schools. (First Nations kids were forcibly removed by the government from their families and taken to institutions to be “educated” out of their culture. The conditions were horrid; physical and sexual abuse were rampant and thousands died.)

I hope he’s right. But how long will it take to get there?

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Hi Sad_Mom, Trouble with the First Nations res schools issue is that it's been repurposed by current govs that have specific narratives to promote. The Indigenous were not, and are not, a monolith of any sort; and the res school issue was a far more complex story than the story we were fed.

Many questions remain about deaths, and here in BC no bodies have been found where we were told 250 children died. I've lived all over Canada, and in closer contact with several FN bands than the majority of Canadians. And if you look into UNDRIP you'll see a situation where the UN is creating a feel-good scenario that is clearly a new colonial usage of Indigenous peoples globally.

The bottom line is that there is no single worldview or reality within FN Canada, and whatever we're fed by mainstream media (ie the fed gov) serves gov narratives and not the FN people.

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Nov 14, 2022·edited Nov 14, 2022Liked by Eliza Mondegreen

The blatant psycho-sociopathy of our political leaders really is diabolical. As a Canadian and someone who has supported dying with dignity after seeing several elderly loved ones suffer excruciating pain in their final months, I'm still appalled at what people are normalizing in this culture. It speaks to our collective trauma under this predatory dog eat dog economic system which deems a person worthless if they cannot 'feed the machine'. We must fight this with every fibre of our collective humanity. I do not want my children to live in a culture which treats all life as expendable.

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The thing I keep wondering about Canada and the assisted suicide question is, why is it in a socialist paradise where there's free medical care and an allegedly robust social safety net, that there are so many people who believe they need to die because of treatable health issues and because they can't pay their bills? Why are 16,000 people in Toronto waiting for housing if the system is working?

Something about this is not washing with me.

It occurs to me after reading this article, that one of the downsides of being so assured of one's moral superiority, is that it becomes blinding to the flaws. We all know people who "gave at the office" and yet would turn away from someone dying in the streets before their very eyes.

Is this what Canada is turning into? They "gave at the office" so now it's ok to kill people rather than help them?

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A very astute observation. It’s like we can’t even talk about the stuff that isn’t working (health care, affordable housing) because that turns into, “Don’t tear down our public systems.”

I think part of what’s wrong with the assisted suicide conversation is a feeling that “I have no right to judge or decide for someone else.”

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"A very astute observation. It’s like we can’t even talk about the stuff that isn’t working (health care, affordable housing) because that turns into, “Don’t tear down our public systems.”"

Agree that's what's going on. And agree with your observation about nonjudgmentalism as one of our highest values right now -- it makes it very hard for people to say what's simple and obvious, which is that it's just wrong for the state to kill people who are mentally ill, even if *people who are actively mentally ill* say they want it.

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I was very naive about Canada before I moved here and was shocked by how hard it was to navigate the medical system, by how many homeless people were on the streets here in Montreal... and that they were almost all First Nations/Inuit peoples who had come here for substance-misuse treatment and then when they were ejected from program or program ended, they couldn't or didn't go home and end up homeless, with mental illness and substance-use issues. It's just inhumane. The US has major major problems with all of these things but people widely agree these parts of US society are broken. Here in Canada, it's like: what are you talking about?

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And yes, this idea that people who are homeless, mentally ill, and have substance abuse issues are making a “choice” to live this way and we have no right to force anyone into treatment or a shelter is just crushing. I think it makes otherwise compassionate and sensible people turn away.

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Huge problem here in California. Substacker Michael Shellenberger ran for Governor as an independent primarily on that issue but unfortunately came in only third in the primary election. Unlike the Republican who made it onto the general ballot and got shellacked (because, California), Shellenberger might have had a chance to beat Newsom (who signed the horrible trans sanctuary bill).

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Eliza, Canadian FN issues are highly complex at the best of times. Issues that aren't just FN, but also FN North-South (such as what you see in Mtl) are even more complicated and multi-layered; AND we're in the WORST times anyone ever imagined.

Every FN person on the streets has a history with, and relationship to: their own personal agency; their friends; their family; their band; their community; the prov and/or territorial gov/s; and the fed government. And now, our fed gov has partnered the FN with the UN in UNDRIP. Nothing is simple or straightforward.

When you put the same critical thinking toward a foreign and complex issue that you put toward gender ideology (for example; I'm not trying to attack you), you'll understand that there is a multi-layered, multi-dimensional history and story there that's invisible to the naked eye. As such, surface judgments are inadequate (though they feel good in the moment).

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The other simple and obvious thing that can’t be said is that males and females are a biological reality.

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It's a logical progession from chopping off their bits because of mental illness.

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AtomicSagebrush, The far-left Trudeau gov lost the popular vote in both last two election runs. Having lost the popular vote, it's propped up by the insane-left NDP. As a result, all Canadian institutions are in complete shambles. Ordinary non-left Canadians know this.

So it is that a great minority, or even a majority of Canadians, don't feel "moral superiority" about anything in 2022. We don't recognize our nation. We don't think we're a "socialist paradise", and we don't want one.

We know that "free" med care means that we paid for it in taxes. Only independent, alternative, non-gov funded media tells the story of Canadian reality. Canadians who did NOT support the Libs/NDP are rightly opposed to the mass migration streaming daily across open borders (the borders that Trudeau erased with no public debate as soon as he was in office) resulting in unskilled, uneducated migrants waiting for housing and cheques in every city.

Canadians who didn't support Libs/NDP also didn't support the gutting of our medical systems. Canadians who didn't support Libs/NDP also didn't support schools being turned into gender-indoctrination centres. Canadians who didn't support Libs/NDP also didn't support the destruction of our middle-class and small-business class.

Present-day MAID is NOT what the original compassionate-care, assisted-death proponents wanted when they built the systems. What we have is a globalist-Trudeau Lib/NDP gov mess of it. That's on this gov, not on ordinary Canadians who were never given a voice on it.

In short, Canada is being driven by forces whose goals are entirely at odds with the wishes of ordinary Canadians.

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Believe me when I tell you, I completely understand what it's like to watch your country seized by forces that appear to be outside of the control of anyone you know and beyond anything you recognize as your system of government.

The "moral superiority" was not intended to apply to all or most Canadians, but the globalists who think they know what's best and intend to apply it from the top down.

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Nov 14, 2022Liked by Eliza Mondegreen

This is truly frightening. I can't even fully comment on it at the moment. Thank you for writing this. My brother "euthanized" both of our parents when they were each quite ill, terminally ill. Except neither of them had ever asked to be euthanized. I have to stop there for now.

I'll add to this later.

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Nov 14, 2022Liked by Eliza Mondegreen

I could not love this piece more- thank you!

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Also just want to say you two are totally welcome to continue your conversation here!

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I believe that I, along with other Canadians was either misled or not adequately informed about this bill. I would never have supported it if I knew it would be opened up to include mental illness as a criteria. I was under the impression it would be for terminal illness end of life only. I fault myself for not paying enough attention to the entire legislative process. But I can't help but feel the government did not work hard enough to keep us informed.

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Canada is a social democracy and more closely aligned with European social democracies in terms of social policy and ideology than we are aligned with USA. Has always been this way. It's less that we "don't know [our] darkness" than that you came here with an American perspective; and without knowing our culture, our history, our political history, and our geography (which all play roles in our historic sympathy toward the concept of compassionate assisted-death).

Canada has a history of compassionate-care assisted death, which was laudable in its original form. There are many cases where people should not be made to suffer for decades unnecessarily. Life is complex and messy. Analogies can be made between unwanted/unchosen pregnancies and issues surrounding end-of-life care. It's always grey, and never black-and-white.

However, the original movement was hijacked by the same – dare we say largely American-funded – "progressives", or "elites", or ideology, that created, promote, and support the trans ideology grift. American funding, and American ideology, have poisoned institutions on a global scale, and Canada has been the easiest target of all.

Who created the Military Industrial Complex that birthed all of this? We can argue. Germany and USA? And recall that while Nuremberg effected some executions and imprisonment of some Nazis, huge numbers were both allowed in, and invited in, to the USA and Canada immediately postwar. Nazi ideology never left the planet. It infected the military, government, technology, education, agriculture, and medicine. UN and WHO emerged from it.

So while assisted death could be (ideally) practised as a caring and compassionate human endeavour (from a nation that embraced universal healthcare; in absolute contrast to the American medical system); it has instead been hijacked by the darkest forces that ever existed on the planet, and that never disappeared.

Where are we today? We ALL EQUALLY (regardless of nation) face an attempt by globalist forces to capture every nation and every institution; to capture every part and every phase of human life.

Today's globalist elites (who exist for themselves, not for any nation) now fund and promote ideologies that will centralize their power and control all, regardless of "nations", which they see beyond and wish to eradicate for their own greedy agendas.

Sorry to be annoyed by this misunderstanding of all things Canadian, but not sorry. We've dealt with this so much, in so many arenas, over so many decades that it became a Canadian cliché. We're just too "nice" to tell Americans openly. It's even part of our comedy canon. Check out Rick Mercer's hilarious on-the-road "Talking to Americans" videos of the early 2000s.

Finally, I do believe the globalist monsters will FAIL. I look forward, then, to seeing the new world we all rebuild from the ashes of this one. Cheers and good health to all in the stressful meantime!

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My mother, then 98 and with a new congestive heart failure diagnosis, was forced out of her fully paid up for decades home by my siblings, who immediately moved her into Agrace Hospice, a huge (so-called) non-profit with something like 750 beds in 5 hospice centers in central and southern Wisconsin. No doctor diagnosed her or treated her or consulted her. My older sister influenced her to sign off on going to hospice "should the need arise" when she turned 94. She had the money to cover her care at home, and told me, the "outsider daughter" that letting them take her to hospice was the "worst decision of her life," but then wouldn't dig in her heels to the staff or her other daughters. She lived in that little room for a year and a week, finally succumbing to the suggestion she take morphine, though she was ambulatory and had started oxygen only 3 months before. A clip of her with the 1943 wedding dress, the only item I wanted from the house, is at Ute Heggen YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MHdlv5MfTzM

--sorry about the loud volume, she was quite deaf. She deserved better, didn't feel she could take me up on the offer to come live with me in the Hudson Valley, where she'd have a little woods to watch.

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I'm Australian girl (16) who has struggled with mental illness from the age of 12. I've attempted suicide. Do they not realise how cruel they are being? When are they going to stop?

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Hitler's rehabilitation isn't long off.

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This crystallizes some of the thoughts I've been mulling about this topic recently, appreciate the work you do!

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