Dave and T.B.: Human society is far more varied and rich than either of you realize. People make their choices, and judging people harshly doesn't help in any situation. In fact, making the kinds of judgements you are making may be more harmful to society than anything I am doing. So, why don't you now harangue me for for eating meat…
Dave and T.B.: Human society is far more varied and rich than either of you realize. People make their choices, and judging people harshly doesn't help in any situation. In fact, making the kinds of judgements you are making may be more harmful to society than anything I am doing. So, why don't you now harangue me for for eating meat, which I do? Or for buying foods in plastic containers, which I do? We all do the best that we can, and that applies to me also.
T.B., I see that all it took was one comment from me to unmask the ugliness of your character. Good luck with that. At least Dave tried to be civil in his remarks.
Both of you should get a button that says "I am part of cancel culture" and wear it proudly. Porn is legal. It is here to stay. Get over it.
Something just occurred to me. There are dozens of social media sites which are overwhelmed with members posting naked pictures of themselves and their friends making home-made porn. No one is paying them, yet the number of people doing this is in the tens of thousands. Reddit alone has hundreds if not thousands of people who are exposing themselves on a daily basis.
If people are doing this voluntarily, and if the numbers of people are in the tens of thousands, how can either of you say that anyone is being exploited?
And it isn't just social media. There are multiple web sites which are devoted to porn. Some of the porn on those sites constitutes promotional segments from porn publishers, but a lot of the porn being posted is made by amateurs who make no money from it -- NO MONEY AT ALL. They do it for fun and pleasure.
How do you self-righteous moralists explain that? The fact is that images are part of human culture, and people like to be seen in images. They do it because they are proud of their bodies, or because it helps them to meet sex partners. And since it is all voluntary and no one is being paid, it simply isn't possible to pretend that what's happening is a bad thing. It is called "freedom" -- freedom to do what you want as long as you are not hurting anyone. Without realizing it, the two of you have taken a position AGAINST FREEDOM.
I want to thank the two of you for opening my eyes. Yes, in the back of my head I felt a little embarrassment for indulging in porn, but that is now over. The two of you would erase the freedoms of people doing harmless things that you simply don't approve of. YOU are on the wrong side of this issue, not me!
No, no, no, no, no. It's not your job, or my job, to find reasons to shame people for doing the things they want to do, as long as they aren't hurting anyone. If the people who voluntarily display pictures of themselves on the internet are in some way harming themselves, that is for them to figure out. It is not for outsiders like you to tell them what they can't do. As I said, this is about freedom. "Live and let live."
In my case, if looking at a picture gives me a moment of feeling like I am actually with a real person, then more power to me. I haven't had sex in 20+ years, and I am not going to deny myself that pleasure. Indeed, most of the porn that I look at is of the kind that people put on the internet voluntarily.
The traditional difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives want to control how other people live their lives in the name of some religious system of morality that only they believe in. But now this form of controlling morality has infected liberals too, in the form of "cancel culture". Whether you like it or not, you and David and that awful abusive person Tumble Bug have made yourselves part of cancel culture. You are trying to tell people how to live.
I was a young man once, and I know how young men are. They love to get naked. It is almost instinctual for many of them. It is part of the mating ritual. There are young men out there who would feel DEPRIVED if they couldn't get naked on the internet. Indeed, there are women who have similar sensibilities to men in this area, who would also feel deprived. It is not for you to stop them.
Now, as I said, I am gay, and I look at pictures of men only. I agree that porn made by men with women actors is denigrating to the women. But that is a separate issue. You can't tell me that what I do is harmful to me or the men or anyone, because it isn't.
PLEASE APPLY YOUR MORALS TO YOURSELF AND LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE.
Dave and T.B.: Human society is far more varied and rich than either of you realize. People make their choices, and judging people harshly doesn't help in any situation. In fact, making the kinds of judgements you are making may be more harmful to society than anything I am doing. So, why don't you now harangue me for for eating meat, which I do? Or for buying foods in plastic containers, which I do? We all do the best that we can, and that applies to me also.
T.B., I see that all it took was one comment from me to unmask the ugliness of your character. Good luck with that. At least Dave tried to be civil in his remarks.
Both of you should get a button that says "I am part of cancel culture" and wear it proudly. Porn is legal. It is here to stay. Get over it.
Something just occurred to me. There are dozens of social media sites which are overwhelmed with members posting naked pictures of themselves and their friends making home-made porn. No one is paying them, yet the number of people doing this is in the tens of thousands. Reddit alone has hundreds if not thousands of people who are exposing themselves on a daily basis.
If people are doing this voluntarily, and if the numbers of people are in the tens of thousands, how can either of you say that anyone is being exploited?
And it isn't just social media. There are multiple web sites which are devoted to porn. Some of the porn on those sites constitutes promotional segments from porn publishers, but a lot of the porn being posted is made by amateurs who make no money from it -- NO MONEY AT ALL. They do it for fun and pleasure.
How do you self-righteous moralists explain that? The fact is that images are part of human culture, and people like to be seen in images. They do it because they are proud of their bodies, or because it helps them to meet sex partners. And since it is all voluntary and no one is being paid, it simply isn't possible to pretend that what's happening is a bad thing. It is called "freedom" -- freedom to do what you want as long as you are not hurting anyone. Without realizing it, the two of you have taken a position AGAINST FREEDOM.
I want to thank the two of you for opening my eyes. Yes, in the back of my head I felt a little embarrassment for indulging in porn, but that is now over. The two of you would erase the freedoms of people doing harmless things that you simply don't approve of. YOU are on the wrong side of this issue, not me!
Please read up about the lies of YouPorn or whatever it's called. It is not at all what you think it is in terms of people voluntarily acting on it.
No, no, no, no, no. It's not your job, or my job, to find reasons to shame people for doing the things they want to do, as long as they aren't hurting anyone. If the people who voluntarily display pictures of themselves on the internet are in some way harming themselves, that is for them to figure out. It is not for outsiders like you to tell them what they can't do. As I said, this is about freedom. "Live and let live."
In my case, if looking at a picture gives me a moment of feeling like I am actually with a real person, then more power to me. I haven't had sex in 20+ years, and I am not going to deny myself that pleasure. Indeed, most of the porn that I look at is of the kind that people put on the internet voluntarily.
The traditional difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives want to control how other people live their lives in the name of some religious system of morality that only they believe in. But now this form of controlling morality has infected liberals too, in the form of "cancel culture". Whether you like it or not, you and David and that awful abusive person Tumble Bug have made yourselves part of cancel culture. You are trying to tell people how to live.
I was a young man once, and I know how young men are. They love to get naked. It is almost instinctual for many of them. It is part of the mating ritual. There are young men out there who would feel DEPRIVED if they couldn't get naked on the internet. Indeed, there are women who have similar sensibilities to men in this area, who would also feel deprived. It is not for you to stop them.
Now, as I said, I am gay, and I look at pictures of men only. I agree that porn made by men with women actors is denigrating to the women. But that is a separate issue. You can't tell me that what I do is harmful to me or the men or anyone, because it isn't.
PLEASE APPLY YOUR MORALS TO YOURSELF AND LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE.