Spot on article; it’s the intractability of the trans rights movement to recognise the rights of other groups, such as women and children, that’s turning the tide against them.
Agreed. And to add to that: I keep hoping that once people realize their child will not get individualized care, will not even be seen as an individual, will not be looked at as a whole being, that every child will get the same response and prescription, that all the answers about your child and what your child needs will have been decided before the doctor and therapist even know your child and her individual circumstances exists, and that even if the doctor or therapist doesn't think this is best for your child they will still go along with it because they are too scared to speak up, that will open some eyes and shift some opinions. But I've been shocked and disappointed by how much is already out there and known that people are willing to shrug off and say, "eh...not my problem."
Exactly. The "not my problem" brigade abound. I try to convince people around me that it will be a huge societal problem in the years to come if we do not stand against it now. It might well be your relative/friend's huge "problem", or your children and grandchildren's. The law of unintended consequences is so wide and varied that we must try to nip this stuff- if not in the bud, it's too late for that - at root and branch.
I don’t know who said it but “those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” is exactly what’s happening. But people are opening their eyes to those absurdities. Perhaps peak trans is not far off.
Instead of just saying what we are against, we should state strongly what we are for to distinguish ourselves from proscriptive trad cons and the "Jesus cries when men aren't men" crowd and to convince the people who need convincing - the liberals who know there is something weird about this gender stuff, but don't want to be on the side of those for whom this issue is obviously and ideological weapon to sneak back in anti-gay and Jesus rigidity. We are for civil rights for so-called gender expression, but against requiring society to validate those beliefs or allow policy to be made based on them. We should think of trans beliefs like religious beliefs in defending the kind of civil rights they should have, vs the kinds of rights that they cannot demand. I live in the Deep South and it is hard to conceptualize if you are from a liberal area, but far more people here think gay people are going to hell than think transwomen are women and those people are just as noxious when they take over institutions. We gotta present pushback to gender identity stuff that doesn't appear to be fellow travelling with those people. We can become useful idiots for that crowd just as easily as liberals became useful idiots for gender identity ideas and by the same mechanisms.
If only liberals were gender critical; they are the most captured group as far as I can see. We can’t concede a word to trans ideology; they’re erasing our language as women from ‘mother’ to ‘birthing person’ & breastfeeding to ‘chest feeding; invading our safe spaces, like bathrooms & changing rooms. They’re even in women’s prisons, where some of the most vulnerable women are. They’re erasing our sports & cheating girls out of medals & scholarships. They’re persecuting us for non-existent crimes, like‘misgendering’. They are insisting we use compelled speech, which I will never do. I will never call a man a woman. Don’t people see; you cannot give an inch for they will take 10,000 miles.
Did I imply I disagree with any of that? My only disagreement is with an overly expansive definition of who "they" are and a better understanding of the right way to win over the "they" that aren't won over yet for perfectly understandable human reasons. I work in the belly of the beast (academia) and have a disastrous "gender affirming care" story in my immediate family and I feel like too many people in this space are so captured by anger that they are sacrificing changing minds. The are misunderstanding the problem of why a tiny handful of true believers have power inordinate to the number of people who actually literally believe their claims about gender. When you say you don't give an inch, you think you are asking people to choose between competing empirical claims, but you are actually asking them to choose between values. You start by endorsing their values, then try to show them how their values don't require them to believe mad empirical claims. You don't need to convince any gender activists of anything. You need to convince the people who go along with this stuff who really don't know much about it, but what they do know is that all the people they see pushing back against it are the anti-gay, mean-spirited opportunists who just want to take us back to the 1850s. You have to first get those people to see other things to make them understand those aren't their only two choices and those things aren't naturally available. I encounter this over and over in academia - most people's beliefs on this stuff are an inch deep. Reminds me of Christians who say they believe in the trinity or substitionary atonement but just fold in a second if you ask them to explain it. Almost nobody who enables this gender stuff even understands the arguments and they compartmentalize opposing beliefs when you ask them. And if I try to get people to read or watch things, the first thing they do is read comments to see who likes it and when they see Matt Walsh type screamers, they won't go any further. My niece is a victim of youth "gender affirming care" when she actually has a debilitating mental illness (schizoaffective disorder) that has ruined her life and my sister, a lifelong liberal, is riven with guilt about listening to the experts to the detriment of her own health. She was never an ideologue and just knew that she disliked the mean evangelicals we grew up around. It has been really hard to get my sister to see the honest criticism of this stuff that isn't just right-wing weaponry and every time I read comments I think to myself "would any of this have convinced my sister in 2014 to push back on therapists or would it just have turned her off". And sadly, I see many people, like with the woke, who just want to 1)show how angry they are and 2)feel that angry feeling in righteous fellowship with other angry people. And this gets in the way of actually reaching the people who we need to reach to reverse this stuff. Not everyone who goes along with this stuff is a bad person. Academia is not a lost cause either if you can give liberals who sense something is wrong here but all they see on the other side is Chris Rufo and worse. Anger at and cancelling people like Freddie, who is not your enemy on this stuff, is counterproductive. It just doesn't work. Not everyone who isn't where you are yet isn't your enemy. You have to have some nuance to see who is an ideologue and who might disagree but is arguing in good faith and don't write off the latter, just as you wouldn't want them to write you off. One thing Freddie taught me is that too many social activists are big into mobilizing (which is where all the righteous self-congratulation is) and weak on organizing (which is where you have to talk to people you disagree with and try to see them as human). I see the gender critical side make this mistake too.
The only thing I disagreed with was your saying that liberals are gender critical; my experience tells me otherwise. I agree with you on everything else, Brian. My concerns are for children & women’s rights & anyone who shares those concerns is an ally.
Where did I say that? Can you quote me as I am not seeing where I said that...oh wait, I see. I meant to edit something and left a widow of a previous thought. Let me fix that. I was on my phone without my reading glasses. Read it again in a minute.
Well stated. I continue to wonder, how to actually reach people who are still blindly following the ideology. One person at a time? I think I’ve peaked a few friends but I just won’t even know unless they bring it up. So far, only one or two has followed up on a conversation and I don’t want to become that person who only talks about gender things. I won’t argue with my Christian friends about their theology, but they’re not usually trying to convert me. It’s a complex issue to discuss without going back to basic vocabulary, like, “What does gender mean to you?”
Liberals are the only captured group, as far as I've seen, if by "liberal" you mean the conventional definition of "the left." I don't know of a single example of a conservative or right-wing winger who supports transgender ideology. There may be such a person somewhere, but they're surely an extreme outlier. If liberals were gender critical then virtually everybody would be, and none of this would even be an issue. It would almost be seriously unthinkable, as indeed it would have been 15 years ago.
Right wingers just think Jesus talks to them - talk about standpoint epistimology! "Faith" is the right wing equivalent of "I feel like woman!" yet they think it is good enough to make policy. Matt Walsh thinks Jesus died on a cross to save our sins, yet mocks "I feel like a woman" as if his belief by introspection is somehow better. I can't take seriously evangelicals or latitude for evangelicals by anyone who insists on evidence in other areas with different moral valence. If you one thinks Matt Walsh or Chris Rufo is your friend on any of this stuff, unless you just want to be woke for Jesus, I am afraid you don't have consistent principles.
The trans ideology has no empirical evidence; that’s why they demand, ‘no debate’. They can’t defend their beliefs in any way, whereas the evidence that sex is binary and immutable is provable fact. They have piggybacked onto the LGB movement to claim some sort of ‘respectability’. Many gay people want absolutely nothing to do with them because of their danger to children & because they are confusing people’s understanding between being gay & being a pedophile. There is a huge difference. Good luck with your work on this, Brian.
Most of the LGB movement, including every major organization and political party associated with it, I believe, is vociferously supportive of trans ideology. Dissenters might have been forced to form their own splinter groups, but they're few in number and massively underfunded by comparison.
The letters LGB stand for lesbian, gay and bisexual. The reason why there is no "TQIA+++", etc., is that the LGB movement is gender critical and/or does not advocate for the so-called transgender population.
I have met and read plenty of conservatives who aren't Christians, but I'm not aware of a single one who thinks women can have penises or men can give birth. I've met self professed Christians who are pinker than cherry blossoms, and are utterly ensnared by trans ideology. In Seattle, where I live, every church proudly waves a rainbow flag. There are whole Christan congregations that are down with this program. Globally, most traditionalists aren't Christians, but as far as I know, no significant number of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or members of any other major religion endorses trans ideology. To the contrary, it's mostly a western thing, especially prevalent in in Anglosphere, and the rest of the world regards it as insanity.
But they have a double standard for how generous we should be for beliefs without evidence that make policy demands. I want gender critical activists to display the same nuance that we should show to the religious- don't be a New Atheist but instead understand the difference between a fundamentalist and a pew potato. Not every polite concession to amorphous, but mistaken, beliefs is a battle you need to fight, but some are. I have a trans coworker who is completely non-ideological, not even pronouns in email signature and probably my most level headed colleague. Aggressively and angrily saying "Duh you know you are a man right!" At every chance is going to strike the people I need to convince the same way moderate Christians are struck if at a funeral when people pray I scoff "Duh, you know God doesn't exist, right?" I wrote a piece on where this balance is but haven't finished it yet. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3rMRjJmUVJWRxMeHEpjQBqmTp73mVo3XE0uE4hUJxQ/edit?usp=drivesdk
I think we're in substantial agreement. I don't go out of my way to belittle or contradict religious people. If they're minding their own businesses, why should I? Likewise, I don't go out of my way to inform a male trying but failing to pass as a woman that I'm not fooled. Why would I? I support anyone's right to worship or present themselves as they please. It's only in the face of aggressive proselytizing that I'll make my case against their position. If you want to convince me, for example, that I must believe in Jesus or go to Hell, or that women can have penises, then you'll have to answer my questions. If you won't, or can't, you'll have no chance of persuading me. But if you want to base law and policy on the basis of what I consider to be erroneous beliefs, there will be tension between us. It's inevitable.
I had a typo at the end of that post - I had a prior thought and edited it and left behind a fragment of my previous wording. I edited it. I was on my phone without my reading glasses.
Totally agree! I come from a conservative background, so when I speak up on this issue I say something like “I totally stand against all the gender identity stuff because women’s rights and gay rights are very important to me.” That usually garners some questions.
Like that meme illustrates, the religious Rightists say: “the woman must do the dishes,” the trans movement says “anyone who does the dishes is a woman” and the gender criticals say: “anyone can do the dishes.” Notice that it’s both the religious Rightists and the trans activists who think woman = houseslave.
I have as little interest in propping up the Matt Walshes of the world as I do the trans activists- in fact, I think they’re the two different sides of the same male-supremacist, homophobic coin.
I hadn't heard of Freddie but was curious to read your link anyways. This person's critique of how Freddie cares about kids convinced into DID, which is minimal numbers, but not kids possibly convinced into Trans because it is minimal numbers etc was a great comparison. I like how they wrestle with the argument Freddie makes that basically it is inconsequential or again at least vanishingly rare the supposed(to their thinking) gender critical arguments because so many other things have problems with them too and are practiced so why can't this. I just feel like adding, there is no benefit to making new unneeded laws and treatments that cause harm, where is the obviousness in that to Freddie? Self-ID is not needed, dialysis clinics are needed (that was the example of something that exists that could have issues.) I stopped reading in this paragraph "What I don’t understand is why the existence of detransitioners should undermine our respect for trans people. " The waxing philosophical about humans changing their minds mysteriously on many things, and the mis attributing what is trying to be undermined/changed is just so hard to bear reading.
I hope you are right. Polls in the UK have also seen a decline in support of 'rights' that transgress on women and children's rights too. Tho it was never majority support when those polled understood that most men do not surgically transition and certain their genitalia.
I hope you are right. The almost dozen Democrat state legislators who voted for the New Hampshire ban on surgeries for minors last week is a sign of this. I read out Jonah Wheeler's viral speech on my channel, with comments from the trans widow perspective. Remember, "likes" and subscribing, sharing and talking will make a difference and shift the direction towards health.
Also, interesting, there are 2 men who ideate a female persona elected to the NH legislature! Remarkable. At least one, Gerri Cannon, fathered a child, found by me by reading between the lines where he says he's "a parent." Interesting that he leaves the mother of the child to have her motherhood~
I certainly do hope that 2024 is the year when sanity returns, but I am not convinced it will be. Both the Washington Post and CNN continue to hire trans journalists who spread their poison in the articles they write. Indeed, I have just cancelled my subscription to the Post because they started to censor my comments again, just as they were a few years ago. The Post put an article on their site about a trans man and his fears that he won't be able to get the testosterone he needs. Although I believe that adults should be able to "transition" if they so choose, and despite the fact that my comments on the article were more tame than they usually are, the Post erased my comment NINE TIMES, and then they suspended my account for a day. That got me steamed and I cancelled my subscription. The Post, CNN, New York magazine (and others I can't think of now) -- they are all still drinking the Kool-Aid and finding it absolutely delicious. To a liberal who wants to display his liberal bona fides, what is better than to support and make apologies for the weirdest of the weird minority groups? If you can love women who look like men, and men who look like women or boys, then that is proof positive that you are tolerant to the core (even if you still discriminate against blacks and Asians).
Actually, drag queens have the honor for being the weirdest group. Not only is the Post writing about trans people, they keep publishing articles about drag queens. They believe that drag queens are part of "diversity", but that is not the case. Drag queens have a sexual fetish. At least trans women try to portray women in a normal way. Drag queens portray women as bizarre, sex-obsessed ingenues.
Part of the problem in American is that these issues are partisan. Liberals are expected to be supportive of these groups, while conservatives are expected to be critical. As a liberal, I keep hoping that liberals will come to their senses, but I'm not seeing any sign of that. When the liberals begin to turn, then we will know that victory is at hand.
It continues to infuriate me that trans people and their supporters keep calling any fact they don't like "hate speech". It is "hate speech" to say that adolescent girls are being influenced to believe they are trans, though there is plenty of evidence for that. It is "hate speech" to say that there are large numbers of detransitioners, which there are. It is hate speech to compare drag queens to whites wearing black face, which is a perfectly valid comparison. I doubt that any of the people who are saying these things are doing any research.
Eliza, I like the fact that you are using tougher language now. Sorry for ranting.
in 5 years or less, it will be very difficult to find anyone who will admit to advocating for the mutilation of children. much like the vaccine mandates, many will say, “we never FORCED them on anyone!”
"Interesting times". I suspect there will be a fair bit of objection to the requirement to track patients and collect long-term data on efficacy, since a significant subset of the gender ideologues don't view this as a medical issue, just the right to bodily autonomy in the process of gender journeying. I've posited enough views I think "reasonable people cannot argue against" to know better!
The whole 'trans' and 'Diversity/Equity/Inclusion' as perpetrated today, is indeed really very nefarious, a scheme by upper crust technocrats with an anti-life/anti-human agenda to transform the impressionable next generation into sexless, genderless, weak, sickly compliant robotized slaves of their technocratic overlords.
Creative performing arts is the best part of being human and the thing the globalist predator technocrat megalomaniac total slavery control freaks most want to destroy.
THEY can't get rid of the 'useless eaters' fast enough! Mistakes were not made, it was always malice aforethought.
Too many 'sheeple' are brainwashed to blindly obey authority figures on the media or in daily life in corrupt system ruled by control freak psychopaths who use propaganda lies to enslave their subjects and they are dumbed down to be obedient by 'education' institutions. Fortunately I was raised to question everything. This transcends party lines. We need a system that punishes psychopaths and rewards compassion and sharing, we need a system that actually follows The Constitution in reality.
I DO NOT COMPLY! NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL!
There is no noxious crime that the evildoers desiring to lord it over us won't commit to maintain their stranglehold on power. A groundswell critical mass resistance to their murderous enslavement plans is needed urgently!
CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EVEN WORSE FRAUD THAN THE PLANSCAMDEMIC! SO-CALLED GREEN TECH IS A GIGANTIC SCAM! MINING AND MANUFACTURING 'GREEN' PRODUCTS NEEDS COAL, GAS AND OIL AND MINING RARE MINERALS IS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOXIC AND DESTRUCTIVE THAN LEGACY PRODUCTS. SCREW YOUR DAMNED AGENDA! https://climateviewer.com
There is a fate worse than death - I would rather die than be a robotized slave of technocratic overlords! This is my hill to die on!
I have a landline and a wired laptop and a wired monitor screen, all the tech anyone should ever want or need. I never had and refuse to ever have one of those infernal mobile devices that are designed to enslave you.
My loathing of AI and all things NANO and digital knows no bounds!
Kudos to Eliza Mondegreen's heroic efforts and success in the struggle. We the People must always be aware of the existential threats lurking behind this fight!
How I stick my thumb in the eyes of the grotesque billionaire bastards pushing their enslavement agenda and how I embrace being fully human.
Fighting the globalist predator technocrat psychopath megalomaniac TOTAL SLAVERY AGENDA one performance at a time!
Amazing Amy: Eccentric Yoga Entertainer!
As an entertainer, I have been devastated and practically destroyed by the closure of all performance venues and then when they reopened, because MY BODY, MY CHOICE - being made a total untermenschen pariah outcast in NAZI NIGHTMARE LAWLESS 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' JAB CROW APARTHEID/DISCRIMINATION/SEGREGATION HELL NYC WHERE THE MAD/DRUNK WITH POWER TYRANT POLS DOUBLE DOWN ON THEIR ILLEGAL MANDATES. I am trapped here with zero financial resources to leave or do anything else about this 'wish I were dead' endless misery life has become. The tragic irony is that my SPREAD THE YOGA LOVE performances are all about health, miraculously overcoming age (68) and injury to achieve feats of flexibility few can attain at any age. So BIG PHARMA who wants to addict every person on the planet to their toxic products hate people like me who prove that we do not need them if we eat healthy organic food and exercise daily!
I try and live and embody the creative performing artistic world and life I so fervently want existence to be about.
They can stick their f*cking damned NANO, Digital IDs, AI, jabs and chips up their asses where the sun don't shine!
All manner of lies and propaganda spew forth from the upper echelons in governments worldwide who are completely intertwined with the global criminal ruling class that wants to commit the worst atrocities imaginable and suffer no consequences. And their corruption slithers down the chain of command creating petty tyrants everywhere.
Supporting this excellent post with a statement and useful links. https://virustruth.net
We the People are facing HORRIFYING TECHNOCRATIC PSYCHOPATHY TO DESTROY HUMANITY AND ALL NATURAL LIFE!
It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back!
We must never lose sight of the larger picture of the vile malignance we are fighting against.
There is an insidious global ruling class plot to enslave all life on earth behind all the madness and suffering inflicted on We the People.
How to fight back against this TOTAL SLAVERY!
RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! DITCH THE DAMNED 'SMART' PHONES AND THE DAMNED QR CODES AND GO BACK TO LANDLINES OR FLIP PHONES AND USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! INSIST ON CASH! CBDC IS TOTAL SLAVERY!
Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.
There is an evil predator globalist technocratic elite agenda of eugenics/depopulation/genocide using bioweapon poison jabs, war, geoengineering, EMF radiation, starvation and economic collapse - THE GREAT RESET/AGENDA 2030/4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION to get rid of billions of 'useless eaters' and to use nano tech to turn the survivors into ROBOTIZED COMPLIANT SLAVES! WAKE UP AND RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! These are psychopath megalomaniacs who want to play god by turning all life into digitized metaverse mechanistic synthetic biology to be manipulated by their AI algorithms. A more demonic sickening idea is nearly impossible to imagine!
APPALLED AND HORRIFIED AT INSANE TYRANNICAL PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TOTALITARIAN CONTROL! REVERSE THIS NOW!
MAKE THE WORLD AND AMERICA 2019 (comparatively speaking), AND FREE AGAIN!
NO, I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE MORONIC SCARIANT SHMARIANT MONKEYSHINES! WAKE UP ALREADY!
TOTALLY CONDEMN BIDEN AND ALL OTHER POLS WHO HAVE NO POWER TO LAWLESSLY ACT LIKE AN EMPEROR OR DICTATOR AND DECREE JAB CROW 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' FASCIST SEGREGATION/DISCRIMINATION/APARTHEID VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE NUREMBERG CODES AND EVERY CIVIL RIGHT IMAGINABLE.
NO GREEN NEW DEALS OR BUILD BACK BETTER FROM THE CRIMINAL TECHNOCRAT TYRANTS KLAUS SCHWAB AND HIS CRONIES FROM THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.
STOP THE TERRIBLE TYRANNY OF THE TECHNOCRATS GLOBAL AGENDA OF TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL USING THE VIRUS AS EXCUSE AND PROPAGANDA TOOL!
NO MUZZLING STIFLING MASK MANDATES! NO FORCED VACCINES! END TORTUROUS DEVASTATING LOCK DOWNS NOW! I WANT MY LIFE BACK.
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Spot on article; it’s the intractability of the trans rights movement to recognise the rights of other groups, such as women and children, that’s turning the tide against them.
Agreed. And to add to that: I keep hoping that once people realize their child will not get individualized care, will not even be seen as an individual, will not be looked at as a whole being, that every child will get the same response and prescription, that all the answers about your child and what your child needs will have been decided before the doctor and therapist even know your child and her individual circumstances exists, and that even if the doctor or therapist doesn't think this is best for your child they will still go along with it because they are too scared to speak up, that will open some eyes and shift some opinions. But I've been shocked and disappointed by how much is already out there and known that people are willing to shrug off and say, "eh...not my problem."
Exactly. The "not my problem" brigade abound. I try to convince people around me that it will be a huge societal problem in the years to come if we do not stand against it now. It might well be your relative/friend's huge "problem", or your children and grandchildren's. The law of unintended consequences is so wide and varied that we must try to nip this stuff- if not in the bud, it's too late for that - at root and branch.
I don’t know who said it but “those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” is exactly what’s happening. But people are opening their eyes to those absurdities. Perhaps peak trans is not far off.
Agree. Any discussion or debate is now considered transphobic .. that’s insanity
What??? You mean we're not actually TRANSPHOBIC???
Instead of just saying what we are against, we should state strongly what we are for to distinguish ourselves from proscriptive trad cons and the "Jesus cries when men aren't men" crowd and to convince the people who need convincing - the liberals who know there is something weird about this gender stuff, but don't want to be on the side of those for whom this issue is obviously and ideological weapon to sneak back in anti-gay and Jesus rigidity. We are for civil rights for so-called gender expression, but against requiring society to validate those beliefs or allow policy to be made based on them. We should think of trans beliefs like religious beliefs in defending the kind of civil rights they should have, vs the kinds of rights that they cannot demand. I live in the Deep South and it is hard to conceptualize if you are from a liberal area, but far more people here think gay people are going to hell than think transwomen are women and those people are just as noxious when they take over institutions. We gotta present pushback to gender identity stuff that doesn't appear to be fellow travelling with those people. We can become useful idiots for that crowd just as easily as liberals became useful idiots for gender identity ideas and by the same mechanisms.
If only liberals were gender critical; they are the most captured group as far as I can see. We can’t concede a word to trans ideology; they’re erasing our language as women from ‘mother’ to ‘birthing person’ & breastfeeding to ‘chest feeding; invading our safe spaces, like bathrooms & changing rooms. They’re even in women’s prisons, where some of the most vulnerable women are. They’re erasing our sports & cheating girls out of medals & scholarships. They’re persecuting us for non-existent crimes, like‘misgendering’. They are insisting we use compelled speech, which I will never do. I will never call a man a woman. Don’t people see; you cannot give an inch for they will take 10,000 miles.
Did I imply I disagree with any of that? My only disagreement is with an overly expansive definition of who "they" are and a better understanding of the right way to win over the "they" that aren't won over yet for perfectly understandable human reasons. I work in the belly of the beast (academia) and have a disastrous "gender affirming care" story in my immediate family and I feel like too many people in this space are so captured by anger that they are sacrificing changing minds. The are misunderstanding the problem of why a tiny handful of true believers have power inordinate to the number of people who actually literally believe their claims about gender. When you say you don't give an inch, you think you are asking people to choose between competing empirical claims, but you are actually asking them to choose between values. You start by endorsing their values, then try to show them how their values don't require them to believe mad empirical claims. You don't need to convince any gender activists of anything. You need to convince the people who go along with this stuff who really don't know much about it, but what they do know is that all the people they see pushing back against it are the anti-gay, mean-spirited opportunists who just want to take us back to the 1850s. You have to first get those people to see other things to make them understand those aren't their only two choices and those things aren't naturally available. I encounter this over and over in academia - most people's beliefs on this stuff are an inch deep. Reminds me of Christians who say they believe in the trinity or substitionary atonement but just fold in a second if you ask them to explain it. Almost nobody who enables this gender stuff even understands the arguments and they compartmentalize opposing beliefs when you ask them. And if I try to get people to read or watch things, the first thing they do is read comments to see who likes it and when they see Matt Walsh type screamers, they won't go any further. My niece is a victim of youth "gender affirming care" when she actually has a debilitating mental illness (schizoaffective disorder) that has ruined her life and my sister, a lifelong liberal, is riven with guilt about listening to the experts to the detriment of her own health. She was never an ideologue and just knew that she disliked the mean evangelicals we grew up around. It has been really hard to get my sister to see the honest criticism of this stuff that isn't just right-wing weaponry and every time I read comments I think to myself "would any of this have convinced my sister in 2014 to push back on therapists or would it just have turned her off". And sadly, I see many people, like with the woke, who just want to 1)show how angry they are and 2)feel that angry feeling in righteous fellowship with other angry people. And this gets in the way of actually reaching the people who we need to reach to reverse this stuff. Not everyone who goes along with this stuff is a bad person. Academia is not a lost cause either if you can give liberals who sense something is wrong here but all they see on the other side is Chris Rufo and worse. Anger at and cancelling people like Freddie, who is not your enemy on this stuff, is counterproductive. It just doesn't work. Not everyone who isn't where you are yet isn't your enemy. You have to have some nuance to see who is an ideologue and who might disagree but is arguing in good faith and don't write off the latter, just as you wouldn't want them to write you off. One thing Freddie taught me is that too many social activists are big into mobilizing (which is where all the righteous self-congratulation is) and weak on organizing (which is where you have to talk to people you disagree with and try to see them as human). I see the gender critical side make this mistake too.
The only thing I disagreed with was your saying that liberals are gender critical; my experience tells me otherwise. I agree with you on everything else, Brian. My concerns are for children & women’s rights & anyone who shares those concerns is an ally.
Where did I say that? Can you quote me as I am not seeing where I said that...oh wait, I see. I meant to edit something and left a widow of a previous thought. Let me fix that. I was on my phone without my reading glasses. Read it again in a minute.
The Biden Administration made it illegal for Drs to practice watchful waiting in kids ... open with that ..
Well stated. I continue to wonder, how to actually reach people who are still blindly following the ideology. One person at a time? I think I’ve peaked a few friends but I just won’t even know unless they bring it up. So far, only one or two has followed up on a conversation and I don’t want to become that person who only talks about gender things. I won’t argue with my Christian friends about their theology, but they’re not usually trying to convert me. It’s a complex issue to discuss without going back to basic vocabulary, like, “What does gender mean to you?”
Liberals are the only captured group, as far as I've seen, if by "liberal" you mean the conventional definition of "the left." I don't know of a single example of a conservative or right-wing winger who supports transgender ideology. There may be such a person somewhere, but they're surely an extreme outlier. If liberals were gender critical then virtually everybody would be, and none of this would even be an issue. It would almost be seriously unthinkable, as indeed it would have been 15 years ago.
Right wingers just think Jesus talks to them - talk about standpoint epistimology! "Faith" is the right wing equivalent of "I feel like woman!" yet they think it is good enough to make policy. Matt Walsh thinks Jesus died on a cross to save our sins, yet mocks "I feel like a woman" as if his belief by introspection is somehow better. I can't take seriously evangelicals or latitude for evangelicals by anyone who insists on evidence in other areas with different moral valence. If you one thinks Matt Walsh or Chris Rufo is your friend on any of this stuff, unless you just want to be woke for Jesus, I am afraid you don't have consistent principles.
The trans ideology has no empirical evidence; that’s why they demand, ‘no debate’. They can’t defend their beliefs in any way, whereas the evidence that sex is binary and immutable is provable fact. They have piggybacked onto the LGB movement to claim some sort of ‘respectability’. Many gay people want absolutely nothing to do with them because of their danger to children & because they are confusing people’s understanding between being gay & being a pedophile. There is a huge difference. Good luck with your work on this, Brian.
Most of the LGB movement, including every major organization and political party associated with it, I believe, is vociferously supportive of trans ideology. Dissenters might have been forced to form their own splinter groups, but they're few in number and massively underfunded by comparison.
The letters LGB stand for lesbian, gay and bisexual. The reason why there is no "TQIA+++", etc., is that the LGB movement is gender critical and/or does not advocate for the so-called transgender population.
Largely true but more & more people are joining those groups such as Gays Against Groomers (@againstgrmrs)
I have met and read plenty of conservatives who aren't Christians, but I'm not aware of a single one who thinks women can have penises or men can give birth. I've met self professed Christians who are pinker than cherry blossoms, and are utterly ensnared by trans ideology. In Seattle, where I live, every church proudly waves a rainbow flag. There are whole Christan congregations that are down with this program. Globally, most traditionalists aren't Christians, but as far as I know, no significant number of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or members of any other major religion endorses trans ideology. To the contrary, it's mostly a western thing, especially prevalent in in Anglosphere, and the rest of the world regards it as insanity.
But they have a double standard for how generous we should be for beliefs without evidence that make policy demands. I want gender critical activists to display the same nuance that we should show to the religious- don't be a New Atheist but instead understand the difference between a fundamentalist and a pew potato. Not every polite concession to amorphous, but mistaken, beliefs is a battle you need to fight, but some are. I have a trans coworker who is completely non-ideological, not even pronouns in email signature and probably my most level headed colleague. Aggressively and angrily saying "Duh you know you are a man right!" At every chance is going to strike the people I need to convince the same way moderate Christians are struck if at a funeral when people pray I scoff "Duh, you know God doesn't exist, right?" I wrote a piece on where this balance is but haven't finished it yet. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3rMRjJmUVJWRxMeHEpjQBqmTp73mVo3XE0uE4hUJxQ/edit?usp=drivesdk
I think we're in substantial agreement. I don't go out of my way to belittle or contradict religious people. If they're minding their own businesses, why should I? Likewise, I don't go out of my way to inform a male trying but failing to pass as a woman that I'm not fooled. Why would I? I support anyone's right to worship or present themselves as they please. It's only in the face of aggressive proselytizing that I'll make my case against their position. If you want to convince me, for example, that I must believe in Jesus or go to Hell, or that women can have penises, then you'll have to answer my questions. If you won't, or can't, you'll have no chance of persuading me. But if you want to base law and policy on the basis of what I consider to be erroneous beliefs, there will be tension between us. It's inevitable.
This unfinished piece and all your comments here are terrific, Brian. I just want to say thank you.
P.S. I am eager to see it when it’s done. I think I successfully subscribed to your account; is that where you’ll post it?
I had a typo at the end of that post - I had a prior thought and edited it and left behind a fragment of my previous wording. I edited it. I was on my phone without my reading glasses.
Totally agree! I come from a conservative background, so when I speak up on this issue I say something like “I totally stand against all the gender identity stuff because women’s rights and gay rights are very important to me.” That usually garners some questions.
Like that meme illustrates, the religious Rightists say: “the woman must do the dishes,” the trans movement says “anyone who does the dishes is a woman” and the gender criticals say: “anyone can do the dishes.” Notice that it’s both the religious Rightists and the trans activists who think woman = houseslave.
I have as little interest in propping up the Matt Walshes of the world as I do the trans activists- in fact, I think they’re the two different sides of the same male-supremacist, homophobic coin.
This response to Freddie's latest pieces I found almost perfectly captures my feelings.
https://open.substack.com/pub/firsttoilthenthegrave/p/contra-deboer-on-transgender-issues?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7gac9
I hadn't heard of Freddie but was curious to read your link anyways. This person's critique of how Freddie cares about kids convinced into DID, which is minimal numbers, but not kids possibly convinced into Trans because it is minimal numbers etc was a great comparison. I like how they wrestle with the argument Freddie makes that basically it is inconsequential or again at least vanishingly rare the supposed(to their thinking) gender critical arguments because so many other things have problems with them too and are practiced so why can't this. I just feel like adding, there is no benefit to making new unneeded laws and treatments that cause harm, where is the obviousness in that to Freddie? Self-ID is not needed, dialysis clinics are needed (that was the example of something that exists that could have issues.) I stopped reading in this paragraph "What I don’t understand is why the existence of detransitioners should undermine our respect for trans people. " The waxing philosophical about humans changing their minds mysteriously on many things, and the mis attributing what is trying to be undermined/changed is just so hard to bear reading.
Another great response to Freddie's pieces: https://open.substack.com/pub/artymorty/p/youre-facing-the-wrong-way-freddie?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7gac9
I hope you are right. Polls in the UK have also seen a decline in support of 'rights' that transgress on women and children's rights too. Tho it was never majority support when those polled understood that most men do not surgically transition and certain their genitalia.
I hope you are right. The almost dozen Democrat state legislators who voted for the New Hampshire ban on surgeries for minors last week is a sign of this. I read out Jonah Wheeler's viral speech on my channel, with comments from the trans widow perspective. Remember, "likes" and subscribing, sharing and talking will make a difference and shift the direction towards health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUu5dKXRbzg&t=1s
Also, interesting, there are 2 men who ideate a female persona elected to the NH legislature! Remarkable. At least one, Gerri Cannon, fathered a child, found by me by reading between the lines where he says he's "a parent." Interesting that he leaves the mother of the child to have her motherhood~
I certainly do hope that 2024 is the year when sanity returns, but I am not convinced it will be. Both the Washington Post and CNN continue to hire trans journalists who spread their poison in the articles they write. Indeed, I have just cancelled my subscription to the Post because they started to censor my comments again, just as they were a few years ago. The Post put an article on their site about a trans man and his fears that he won't be able to get the testosterone he needs. Although I believe that adults should be able to "transition" if they so choose, and despite the fact that my comments on the article were more tame than they usually are, the Post erased my comment NINE TIMES, and then they suspended my account for a day. That got me steamed and I cancelled my subscription. The Post, CNN, New York magazine (and others I can't think of now) -- they are all still drinking the Kool-Aid and finding it absolutely delicious. To a liberal who wants to display his liberal bona fides, what is better than to support and make apologies for the weirdest of the weird minority groups? If you can love women who look like men, and men who look like women or boys, then that is proof positive that you are tolerant to the core (even if you still discriminate against blacks and Asians).
Actually, drag queens have the honor for being the weirdest group. Not only is the Post writing about trans people, they keep publishing articles about drag queens. They believe that drag queens are part of "diversity", but that is not the case. Drag queens have a sexual fetish. At least trans women try to portray women in a normal way. Drag queens portray women as bizarre, sex-obsessed ingenues.
Part of the problem in American is that these issues are partisan. Liberals are expected to be supportive of these groups, while conservatives are expected to be critical. As a liberal, I keep hoping that liberals will come to their senses, but I'm not seeing any sign of that. When the liberals begin to turn, then we will know that victory is at hand.
It continues to infuriate me that trans people and their supporters keep calling any fact they don't like "hate speech". It is "hate speech" to say that adolescent girls are being influenced to believe they are trans, though there is plenty of evidence for that. It is "hate speech" to say that there are large numbers of detransitioners, which there are. It is hate speech to compare drag queens to whites wearing black face, which is a perfectly valid comparison. I doubt that any of the people who are saying these things are doing any research.
Eliza, I like the fact that you are using tougher language now. Sorry for ranting.
in 5 years or less, it will be very difficult to find anyone who will admit to advocating for the mutilation of children. much like the vaccine mandates, many will say, “we never FORCED them on anyone!”
As a pediatrician I’m ashamed of the role my profession takes in this medical scandal. It happened very quickly by stealth I feel. During COVID.
"Interesting times". I suspect there will be a fair bit of objection to the requirement to track patients and collect long-term data on efficacy, since a significant subset of the gender ideologues don't view this as a medical issue, just the right to bodily autonomy in the process of gender journeying. I've posited enough views I think "reasonable people cannot argue against" to know better!
The whole 'trans' and 'Diversity/Equity/Inclusion' as perpetrated today, is indeed really very nefarious, a scheme by upper crust technocrats with an anti-life/anti-human agenda to transform the impressionable next generation into sexless, genderless, weak, sickly compliant robotized slaves of their technocratic overlords.
Creative performing arts is the best part of being human and the thing the globalist predator technocrat megalomaniac total slavery control freaks most want to destroy.
THEY can't get rid of the 'useless eaters' fast enough! Mistakes were not made, it was always malice aforethought.
Too many 'sheeple' are brainwashed to blindly obey authority figures on the media or in daily life in corrupt system ruled by control freak psychopaths who use propaganda lies to enslave their subjects and they are dumbed down to be obedient by 'education' institutions. Fortunately I was raised to question everything. This transcends party lines. We need a system that punishes psychopaths and rewards compassion and sharing, we need a system that actually follows The Constitution in reality.
I DO NOT COMPLY! NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL!
There is no noxious crime that the evildoers desiring to lord it over us won't commit to maintain their stranglehold on power. A groundswell critical mass resistance to their murderous enslavement plans is needed urgently!
CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EVEN WORSE FRAUD THAN THE PLANSCAMDEMIC! SO-CALLED GREEN TECH IS A GIGANTIC SCAM! MINING AND MANUFACTURING 'GREEN' PRODUCTS NEEDS COAL, GAS AND OIL AND MINING RARE MINERALS IS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOXIC AND DESTRUCTIVE THAN LEGACY PRODUCTS. SCREW YOUR DAMNED AGENDA! https://climateviewer.com
There is a fate worse than death - I would rather die than be a robotized slave of technocratic overlords! This is my hill to die on!
I have a landline and a wired laptop and a wired monitor screen, all the tech anyone should ever want or need. I never had and refuse to ever have one of those infernal mobile devices that are designed to enslave you.
My loathing of AI and all things NANO and digital knows no bounds!
Kudos to Eliza Mondegreen's heroic efforts and success in the struggle. We the People must always be aware of the existential threats lurking behind this fight!
How I stick my thumb in the eyes of the grotesque billionaire bastards pushing their enslavement agenda and how I embrace being fully human.
Fighting the globalist predator technocrat psychopath megalomaniac TOTAL SLAVERY AGENDA one performance at a time!
Amazing Amy: Eccentric Yoga Entertainer!
As an entertainer, I have been devastated and practically destroyed by the closure of all performance venues and then when they reopened, because MY BODY, MY CHOICE - being made a total untermenschen pariah outcast in NAZI NIGHTMARE LAWLESS 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' JAB CROW APARTHEID/DISCRIMINATION/SEGREGATION HELL NYC WHERE THE MAD/DRUNK WITH POWER TYRANT POLS DOUBLE DOWN ON THEIR ILLEGAL MANDATES. I am trapped here with zero financial resources to leave or do anything else about this 'wish I were dead' endless misery life has become. The tragic irony is that my SPREAD THE YOGA LOVE performances are all about health, miraculously overcoming age (68) and injury to achieve feats of flexibility few can attain at any age. So BIG PHARMA who wants to addict every person on the planet to their toxic products hate people like me who prove that we do not need them if we eat healthy organic food and exercise daily!
https://www.reverbnation.com/artist/amazingamycontortionistuniqueyogadancer
I try and live and embody the creative performing artistic world and life I so fervently want existence to be about.
They can stick their f*cking damned NANO, Digital IDs, AI, jabs and chips up their asses where the sun don't shine!
All manner of lies and propaganda spew forth from the upper echelons in governments worldwide who are completely intertwined with the global criminal ruling class that wants to commit the worst atrocities imaginable and suffer no consequences. And their corruption slithers down the chain of command creating petty tyrants everywhere.
Supporting this excellent post with a statement and useful links. https://virustruth.net
We the People are facing HORRIFYING TECHNOCRATIC PSYCHOPATHY TO DESTROY HUMANITY AND ALL NATURAL LIFE!
It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back!
We must never lose sight of the larger picture of the vile malignance we are fighting against.
There is an insidious global ruling class plot to enslave all life on earth behind all the madness and suffering inflicted on We the People.
How to fight back against this TOTAL SLAVERY!
RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! DITCH THE DAMNED 'SMART' PHONES AND THE DAMNED QR CODES AND GO BACK TO LANDLINES OR FLIP PHONES AND USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! INSIST ON CASH! CBDC IS TOTAL SLAVERY!
Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.
There is an evil predator globalist technocratic elite agenda of eugenics/depopulation/genocide using bioweapon poison jabs, war, geoengineering, EMF radiation, starvation and economic collapse - THE GREAT RESET/AGENDA 2030/4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION to get rid of billions of 'useless eaters' and to use nano tech to turn the survivors into ROBOTIZED COMPLIANT SLAVES! WAKE UP AND RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! These are psychopath megalomaniacs who want to play god by turning all life into digitized metaverse mechanistic synthetic biology to be manipulated by their AI algorithms. A more demonic sickening idea is nearly impossible to imagine!
APPALLED AND HORRIFIED AT INSANE TYRANNICAL PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TOTALITARIAN CONTROL! REVERSE THIS NOW!
MAKE THE WORLD AND AMERICA 2019 (comparatively speaking), AND FREE AGAIN!
NO, I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE MORONIC SCARIANT SHMARIANT MONKEYSHINES! WAKE UP ALREADY!
TOTALLY CONDEMN BIDEN AND ALL OTHER POLS WHO HAVE NO POWER TO LAWLESSLY ACT LIKE AN EMPEROR OR DICTATOR AND DECREE JAB CROW 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' FASCIST SEGREGATION/DISCRIMINATION/APARTHEID VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE NUREMBERG CODES AND EVERY CIVIL RIGHT IMAGINABLE.
NO GREEN NEW DEALS OR BUILD BACK BETTER FROM THE CRIMINAL TECHNOCRAT TYRANTS KLAUS SCHWAB AND HIS CRONIES FROM THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.
STOP THE TERRIBLE TYRANNY OF THE TECHNOCRATS GLOBAL AGENDA OF TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL USING THE VIRUS AS EXCUSE AND PROPAGANDA TOOL!
NO MUZZLING STIFLING MASK MANDATES! NO FORCED VACCINES! END TORTUROUS DEVASTATING LOCK DOWNS NOW! I WANT MY LIFE BACK.
https://wrenchinthegears.com
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com
https://pandemicfacts.info
https://wearehumanwearefree.org/7-days-campaign/
https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/covid-19-roadmap-12-step-plan-to-create-a-totalitarian-new-world-order-were-on-number-8-headed-towards-number-9/
https://questioningcovid.com
https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1581-james-corbett-breaks-down-the-great-reset/
http://www.stopcp.com/GlobalResetPSYOP/GlobalResetPSYOPMindMap.html
https://everydayconcerned.net/2020/09/04/breaking-major-investigative-report-by-association-of-french-reserve-army-officers-finds-covid-19-pandemic-to-have-a-hidden-agenda-for-global-totalitarianism-nanotech-chipping-of-all-5g-irradia/
Pam Popper: https://makeamericansfreeagain.com
Del Bigtree: https://www.brighteon.com/channels/highwire
https://www.technocracy.news
Naomi Wolf: https://dailyclout.io
www.nojabforme.info
https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-must-awaken-from-corona-coma-reject-great-reset-robotic-technocracy-assert-common-humanity/5745213
I'm sorry, but this post is a perfect example of how not to convince anyone of anything.
The text of the Jamie Reed tweet is impossible to parse without the line breaks in the original tweet. Please change how it appears so it can be understood correctly.