I need a shorthand phrase to express the realisation that the light at the end of the tunnel - the cultural enlightenment from Dr. Cass, the WPATH Files, the increasing numbers of regretful detransitioners and other major revelations - is probably receding almost as fast as we approach it. One of these moments of realisation was reading, "researchers also expressed concern that patients may avoid seeking help for transition complications, citing fear of encountering discrimination in healthcare settings, as well as discomfort and distress dealing with body parts and functions." The whole sub-culture that believes in "trans people" (or pretends to) colludes not only in causing the harm and suffering it, but then in covering it up, thus failing to alert the next cohort of innocents climbing on the conveyor belt.
Contrary to my earlier hope, I imagine some will be even more determined to assert the reality of their transgender status, whether they really believe it or not deep down, because that will increasingly become the ticket to all the further care they will need. We house people in care homes for the elderly not so much on the mathematics of their age, but their incapacities, like incontinence, fragile skeletons, and dementia - at least some of which we know are likely to be increased by use of exogenous hormones and transgender surgeries. I'm not sure if dementia is related to these (is there any research on that?), but it's a reasonable guess they won't help mental function, for instance through the stresses of living with a damaged body and possible struggles to form long-term life partnerships and have satisfying sexual relationships.
I see the suicide rate increasing over coming years, and increasing efforts to blame the evil transphobes. We - by which I mean, society generally - owe a massive debt of care to all the victims, to help them understand that it wasn't their fault. I might surprise some by saying that's also true of the likes of Turban and Olson-Kennedy - everybody does things for "reasons", they almost always believe those are good reasons, and we all trap ourselves in dead-ends we can't back out of - some are just more damaging than others. Despite that, I can't help wanting all the TRAs locked up for a symbolic length time.... or a pound of flesh cut from each of them.
It really bothers me though that they’re describing insane and unnatural damage to women’s bodies via male-levels of testosterone (so much more than female bodies can function on) as “exactly the same trajectory” as…menopause?
Obviously taking the T sends them into something like an artificial, chemically induced menopause occurring at the wrong phase of the female lifecycle…but real menopause is a natural process, a winding down of estrogen, with testosterone levels remaining normal. This what the female body NEEDS at this phase in life in order to live into old age. Any unpleasant menopause symptoms can be treated with some pelvic floor PT and some topical estrogen cream.
TIFs take so much testosterone, they kill their organs. Like, it’s the standard to remove all their reproductive organs after 5 years on T because it deteriorates their ovaries, uterus, cervix and vagina to such a degree they can get cancer or infections and it can kill them.
That’s NOTHING like menopause. Post menopausal women both have and NEED their ovaries, uterus, cervix and vagina to be healthy, and have normal levels of female sex hormones. Women have functioning ovaries till the ends of their lives, they’re not f*cking castrated.
These rates of incontinence and sexual dysfunction are insane and don’t even remotely resemble the rates of these issues in post menopausal women. 70% fecal incontinence? Again, that’s not menopause. That’s chemical castration.
It’s just more pathologizing of the female experience and aging.
Notice how nobody says 50+ men who have erectile dysfunction and may need viagra to be capable of sexual intercourse again are “on the exact same trajectory” as TIMs who’ve chemically and or surgically castrated themselves.
Yes. Exactly. These girls are suffering much greater symptoms than menopausal women. It's like menopause times a thousand, and then other qualitative issues that menopausal women would never experience.
Glad someone understands!! It’s so frustrating to basically hear people like the woman quoted in the article conflate menopause with chemical castration + organ damage from toxic testosterone levels.
The lack of understanding of women’s health is astounding.😱
As always, important information that should be widely disseminated Eliza. I was curious, are numbers of people seeking treatment for gender dysphoria being recorded anywhere? I know part of the problem, in exposing the widespread harms of gender dysphoria is that gender clinics and medical facilities practicing gender affirming care are not sharing data with the public. I listened to Kara Swisher say she said numbers are vanishingly small, but didn’t site the number or source. I know that Chloe Cole’s lawsuit divulged a stat that in 2019, Kaiser Oakland performed 79 double mastectomies on girls between the ages of 13-18. That is one hospital in one year. If that is true, the numbers across our country of medicalization would be staggering.
I agree, Ordinary Woman. The clinics don't share data, they disappear data, they are probably wising up to the problem of email communications being shared. In the US, Planned Parenthood is an easy source of cross-sex hormones--as we know.
I'm going to use the opportunity of this article -- great writing as always, Eliza! -- to mention something new that I've learned. On YouTube under the channel name Triggernometry (run by a couple of mostly conservative Englishmen), a guest named Andrew Doyle (who is a teacher) gives a six-minute talk about how adolescent girls have been known to experience psychological contagions over the centuries. He believes, for example, that the girls in Salem who were accusing everyone of witchcraft were suffering a psychological contagion in which they thought they were seeing spirits. He gives other examples in his talk, like girls who starve themselves, girls who cut themselves, and an instance in the middle ages in which all the girls started limping. He also believes that imagining child abuse that didn't happen has been a contagion, as well as "dancing" and "trembling" (though he didn't say anything of substance about those). But he clearly makes the point that transgenderism seems to be the latest contagion. And of course he makes the point that some contagions are more dangerous than others. This explains a lot, doesn't it?
I am a male and I don't know what girls go through during puberty, but it must be pretty terrible to cause these contagions. I did know about girls starving and cutting themselves, but I never thought of those things in terms of contagions. Doyle says that he has seen no such contagions among his male students.
Perhaps this is old news to you women fighting the transgender contagion, but this was news to me. Girls and women really do have it harder in this world.
Thanks for that link - I've not seen his talk on this, but Mia Hughes, who wrote the report on the leaked WPATH files, writes and talks about these too. All this backs up Lisa Littman's hypothesis, of course, of the social-contagion etiology of rapid-onset gender dysphoria. I think - perhaps as well as girls' more difficult approach to puberty and adult expectations - there are deeper psycho-social reasons for the sex difference: girls and women evolved differently from men, with relatively higher concern for fitting in with their peers, bonding with other females through shared beliefs and behaviours. Males tend more towards individualism and competition, so perhaps that inoculates them to some degree against these effects (though they do suffer from them in smaller numbers).
Many episodes ago, a guest on the "Gender: A Wider Lens" discussed another aspect of the medical leash. She was a lesbian who had transitioned.
As an aside, she explained that many lesbians in her scene had done the same. Her decision to transition wasn't the culmination of many years of gender dysphoria. Rather, she was just keeping up with the trend in her social world.
In any case, her story shows that she put herself on medical leash, so to speak, before she ever took any "T," testosterone. That was because the people she was listening to treated T as if it were a psychiatric drug of some sort that would quell dysphoria and act as a powerful mood enhancer. Thus she developed a burning desire to go on T in order to reap the benefits. By her account, testosterone had the promised results, especially in the short run. It took some time for such side effects as vaginal atrophy to begin manifesting themselves.
Great article!!! Years after menopause and I never had any of these problems. Transing by women is such a mess and all to try to get male privilege. If they change their minds, they can get breast again? Carcinogenic poison sacks that leak. Look up what happened to Stevie Nicks.
In addition, the ex-wives of suddenly demanding, crossdressing husbands are receiving shoddy mental health support, as the practitioners require a trans widow to name her husband by his new name, call him female and force herself to "share Mother's Day" and consider his trauma. Rather than acknowledging the post-traumatic stress disorder most of us live with after.
Chilling stuff... As youve pointed out before, many of these stories speak of dissociation. When you consider that these people are being groomed as well into hormones and surgeries, then it's not hard to see that post-transition they're likely to remain dissociated from their bodies and not want to confront what has happened to them, such that they are not ready even to regret.
I'm no psychologist but this dissociation feels more like the hallmark of the dysphoria, than the gender content. And how could it resolve, unless by coming to terms. To think that you really are a man when you are a woman is a strange existential entrapment, because beneath the delusion, the person of course knows they are not in fact a man. Again to humour them is also grooming, or a failure to ground anothers suffering and point them away from mental delusion.
I need a shorthand phrase to express the realisation that the light at the end of the tunnel - the cultural enlightenment from Dr. Cass, the WPATH Files, the increasing numbers of regretful detransitioners and other major revelations - is probably receding almost as fast as we approach it. One of these moments of realisation was reading, "researchers also expressed concern that patients may avoid seeking help for transition complications, citing fear of encountering discrimination in healthcare settings, as well as discomfort and distress dealing with body parts and functions." The whole sub-culture that believes in "trans people" (or pretends to) colludes not only in causing the harm and suffering it, but then in covering it up, thus failing to alert the next cohort of innocents climbing on the conveyor belt.
Contrary to my earlier hope, I imagine some will be even more determined to assert the reality of their transgender status, whether they really believe it or not deep down, because that will increasingly become the ticket to all the further care they will need. We house people in care homes for the elderly not so much on the mathematics of their age, but their incapacities, like incontinence, fragile skeletons, and dementia - at least some of which we know are likely to be increased by use of exogenous hormones and transgender surgeries. I'm not sure if dementia is related to these (is there any research on that?), but it's a reasonable guess they won't help mental function, for instance through the stresses of living with a damaged body and possible struggles to form long-term life partnerships and have satisfying sexual relationships.
I see the suicide rate increasing over coming years, and increasing efforts to blame the evil transphobes. We - by which I mean, society generally - owe a massive debt of care to all the victims, to help them understand that it wasn't their fault. I might surprise some by saying that's also true of the likes of Turban and Olson-Kennedy - everybody does things for "reasons", they almost always believe those are good reasons, and we all trap ourselves in dead-ends we can't back out of - some are just more damaging than others. Despite that, I can't help wanting all the TRAs locked up for a symbolic length time.... or a pound of flesh cut from each of them.
Great article, Eliza!
It really bothers me though that they’re describing insane and unnatural damage to women’s bodies via male-levels of testosterone (so much more than female bodies can function on) as “exactly the same trajectory” as…menopause?
Obviously taking the T sends them into something like an artificial, chemically induced menopause occurring at the wrong phase of the female lifecycle…but real menopause is a natural process, a winding down of estrogen, with testosterone levels remaining normal. This what the female body NEEDS at this phase in life in order to live into old age. Any unpleasant menopause symptoms can be treated with some pelvic floor PT and some topical estrogen cream.
TIFs take so much testosterone, they kill their organs. Like, it’s the standard to remove all their reproductive organs after 5 years on T because it deteriorates their ovaries, uterus, cervix and vagina to such a degree they can get cancer or infections and it can kill them.
That’s NOTHING like menopause. Post menopausal women both have and NEED their ovaries, uterus, cervix and vagina to be healthy, and have normal levels of female sex hormones. Women have functioning ovaries till the ends of their lives, they’re not f*cking castrated.
These rates of incontinence and sexual dysfunction are insane and don’t even remotely resemble the rates of these issues in post menopausal women. 70% fecal incontinence? Again, that’s not menopause. That’s chemical castration.
It’s just more pathologizing of the female experience and aging.
Notice how nobody says 50+ men who have erectile dysfunction and may need viagra to be capable of sexual intercourse again are “on the exact same trajectory” as TIMs who’ve chemically and or surgically castrated themselves.
Yes. Exactly. These girls are suffering much greater symptoms than menopausal women. It's like menopause times a thousand, and then other qualitative issues that menopausal women would never experience.
Glad someone understands!! It’s so frustrating to basically hear people like the woman quoted in the article conflate menopause with chemical castration + organ damage from toxic testosterone levels.
The lack of understanding of women’s health is astounding.😱
As always, important information that should be widely disseminated Eliza. I was curious, are numbers of people seeking treatment for gender dysphoria being recorded anywhere? I know part of the problem, in exposing the widespread harms of gender dysphoria is that gender clinics and medical facilities practicing gender affirming care are not sharing data with the public. I listened to Kara Swisher say she said numbers are vanishingly small, but didn’t site the number or source. I know that Chloe Cole’s lawsuit divulged a stat that in 2019, Kaiser Oakland performed 79 double mastectomies on girls between the ages of 13-18. That is one hospital in one year. If that is true, the numbers across our country of medicalization would be staggering.
I agree, Ordinary Woman. The clinics don't share data, they disappear data, they are probably wising up to the problem of email communications being shared. In the US, Planned Parenthood is an easy source of cross-sex hormones--as we know.
I'm going to use the opportunity of this article -- great writing as always, Eliza! -- to mention something new that I've learned. On YouTube under the channel name Triggernometry (run by a couple of mostly conservative Englishmen), a guest named Andrew Doyle (who is a teacher) gives a six-minute talk about how adolescent girls have been known to experience psychological contagions over the centuries. He believes, for example, that the girls in Salem who were accusing everyone of witchcraft were suffering a psychological contagion in which they thought they were seeing spirits. He gives other examples in his talk, like girls who starve themselves, girls who cut themselves, and an instance in the middle ages in which all the girls started limping. He also believes that imagining child abuse that didn't happen has been a contagion, as well as "dancing" and "trembling" (though he didn't say anything of substance about those). But he clearly makes the point that transgenderism seems to be the latest contagion. And of course he makes the point that some contagions are more dangerous than others. This explains a lot, doesn't it?
I am a male and I don't know what girls go through during puberty, but it must be pretty terrible to cause these contagions. I did know about girls starving and cutting themselves, but I never thought of those things in terms of contagions. Doyle says that he has seen no such contagions among his male students.
Perhaps this is old news to you women fighting the transgender contagion, but this was news to me. Girls and women really do have it harder in this world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7UeA69Yj4
Thanks for that link - I've not seen his talk on this, but Mia Hughes, who wrote the report on the leaked WPATH files, writes and talks about these too. All this backs up Lisa Littman's hypothesis, of course, of the social-contagion etiology of rapid-onset gender dysphoria. I think - perhaps as well as girls' more difficult approach to puberty and adult expectations - there are deeper psycho-social reasons for the sex difference: girls and women evolved differently from men, with relatively higher concern for fitting in with their peers, bonding with other females through shared beliefs and behaviours. Males tend more towards individualism and competition, so perhaps that inoculates them to some degree against these effects (though they do suffer from them in smaller numbers).
Many episodes ago, a guest on the "Gender: A Wider Lens" discussed another aspect of the medical leash. She was a lesbian who had transitioned.
As an aside, she explained that many lesbians in her scene had done the same. Her decision to transition wasn't the culmination of many years of gender dysphoria. Rather, she was just keeping up with the trend in her social world.
In any case, her story shows that she put herself on medical leash, so to speak, before she ever took any "T," testosterone. That was because the people she was listening to treated T as if it were a psychiatric drug of some sort that would quell dysphoria and act as a powerful mood enhancer. Thus she developed a burning desire to go on T in order to reap the benefits. By her account, testosterone had the promised results, especially in the short run. It took some time for such side effects as vaginal atrophy to begin manifesting themselves.
Great article!!! Years after menopause and I never had any of these problems. Transing by women is such a mess and all to try to get male privilege. If they change their minds, they can get breast again? Carcinogenic poison sacks that leak. Look up what happened to Stevie Nicks.
In addition, the ex-wives of suddenly demanding, crossdressing husbands are receiving shoddy mental health support, as the practitioners require a trans widow to name her husband by his new name, call him female and force herself to "share Mother's Day" and consider his trauma. Rather than acknowledging the post-traumatic stress disorder most of us live with after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owyUun77TKo&t=48s
Chilling stuff... As youve pointed out before, many of these stories speak of dissociation. When you consider that these people are being groomed as well into hormones and surgeries, then it's not hard to see that post-transition they're likely to remain dissociated from their bodies and not want to confront what has happened to them, such that they are not ready even to regret.
I'm no psychologist but this dissociation feels more like the hallmark of the dysphoria, than the gender content. And how could it resolve, unless by coming to terms. To think that you really are a man when you are a woman is a strange existential entrapment, because beneath the delusion, the person of course knows they are not in fact a man. Again to humour them is also grooming, or a failure to ground anothers suffering and point them away from mental delusion.